Black Copper Marans discussion thread
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Thanks, all. He made me proud, even though it wasn't a real show. Good practice for him, though
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Noymira - everyone is a little different in what they choose to hatch. If you want dark egg laying offspring, choose the darkest eggs. If you have particular traits you are trying to get rid of in your flock (slow growth, late POL, egg eating, sparse shanks etc., then hatch only the dark eggs from the hens that don't have those negative traits. I've hatched little pullet eggs from my BC and they hatch and grow out really nicely, with better hatching rate than the big 80 gram eggs I've tried to hatch.
Hudsonnascarfan - I think it depends on the hen alot. I've had some start laying mediums from the beginning, and they get bigger after a few weeks. It also depends on when they reach POL, I've found that in many of my hens, of different breeds, the earlier they reach POL, the longer they lay pullet eggs, and the more gradually they get bigger. I have a hen who started laying at 17 weeks, around mid-May, and her eggs are still smaller than my wheaten hen hatched at the same time, who didn't lay until 26 weeks. I still haven't gotten a non-doubleyolker from either of them that I would consider a large egg. Give them time. My one hen has been laying for about 18 weeks now, and her eggs are still getting bigger.
On a different note: Lots of talk about traits in the past few posts that refer to "wheaten influence". I'm still skeptical that pale shanks are wheaten/BC hybrids, as all of the BC that I have seen here in Europe have pinkish shanks with some dark scales. Even the pictures on the French Club website show very pale shanks. I have two 9 month old roosters from German lines that have very pale shanks, but are otherwise properly colored BC. I plan to cross one of them to a wheaten hen later this fall to see if he throws any wheaten chicks. IMHO I think that what many folks often refer to as "wheaten influences" are just the genetic enigmas that mystify most BC breeding programs. It's been discussed at great length in many posts, that pairing up two outstanding birds still produces mossy, over melanized, bare shanks, straw hackle etc. I don't think it's as often that someone still has wheaten blood running in their flock.
And as for the pale shanks, I'll try to have an answer for that later this fall. I promise pictures and everything. But really my guys shanks are really pale, but not as pale as their penmate wheaten roo's shanks. Oh, and I don't think straw hackle comes from wheaten either - My wheaten rooster looks almost identical to my BC roos, except for his wing triangle, and no black stripes at all in his hackle. Color-wise, hackle and saddle in my BC and Wheaten roos are very close. This may change though after their next molt... we'll see.
Hudsonnascarfan - I think it depends on the hen alot. I've had some start laying mediums from the beginning, and they get bigger after a few weeks. It also depends on when they reach POL, I've found that in many of my hens, of different breeds, the earlier they reach POL, the longer they lay pullet eggs, and the more gradually they get bigger. I have a hen who started laying at 17 weeks, around mid-May, and her eggs are still smaller than my wheaten hen hatched at the same time, who didn't lay until 26 weeks. I still haven't gotten a non-doubleyolker from either of them that I would consider a large egg. Give them time. My one hen has been laying for about 18 weeks now, and her eggs are still getting bigger.
On a different note: Lots of talk about traits in the past few posts that refer to "wheaten influence". I'm still skeptical that pale shanks are wheaten/BC hybrids, as all of the BC that I have seen here in Europe have pinkish shanks with some dark scales. Even the pictures on the French Club website show very pale shanks. I have two 9 month old roosters from German lines that have very pale shanks, but are otherwise properly colored BC. I plan to cross one of them to a wheaten hen later this fall to see if he throws any wheaten chicks. IMHO I think that what many folks often refer to as "wheaten influences" are just the genetic enigmas that mystify most BC breeding programs. It's been discussed at great length in many posts, that pairing up two outstanding birds still produces mossy, over melanized, bare shanks, straw hackle etc. I don't think it's as often that someone still has wheaten blood running in their flock.
And as for the pale shanks, I'll try to have an answer for that later this fall. I promise pictures and everything. But really my guys shanks are really pale, but not as pale as their penmate wheaten roo's shanks. Oh, and I don't think straw hackle comes from wheaten either - My wheaten rooster looks almost identical to my BC roos, except for his wing triangle, and no black stripes at all in his hackle. Color-wise, hackle and saddle in my BC and Wheaten roos are very close. This may change though after their next molt... we'll see.
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Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
These are the eggs that my Blue Copper girl Ponyo has given me consistently for the last 6 days. I caught her on the nest today so I'm positive it's her. They're very glossy.
Direct sunlight.
Not so direct sunlight, sorta half shade half sunlight.
With an olive egg for some comparison, again not so direct sunlight.
They aren't quite as dark as the eggs she hatched from but I'm happy with them. She is from Monique's (ruth) stock, I believe the Blue Copper roo that sired her is from Will Morrow's line.
Direct sunlight.
Not so direct sunlight, sorta half shade half sunlight.
With an olive egg for some comparison, again not so direct sunlight.
They aren't quite as dark as the eggs she hatched from but I'm happy with them. She is from Monique's (ruth) stock, I believe the Blue Copper roo that sired her is from Will Morrow's line.
I showed some pictures of my "roos" (that the breeder swears are pullets that everyone in the gender section here says are roos) to a breeder. She says that they look like pullets and the fact that their is black on the combs really makes her think they are pullets.
I know nothing lol, so do the pullets have black on their combs, cause these chicks do have quite a lot of black on the combs.
I know nothing lol, so do the pullets have black on their combs, cause these chicks do have quite a lot of black on the combs.
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Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
Sue, three year ago I started culling all the white shank males from my line of BC and in the process eliminated most of the yellow and straw neck males. Also last year I went a stap farther and culled all males that had white in wing and tail after the Juve molt . Virtually eliminated these faults in my Marans, I am sure it was Wheaten related in my birds. I have never with all the chicks BC hatched a chick looking like a wheaten come out of my Marans BC. My Black copper marans Males have Medium to Dark slate legs.
Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
Sue, three year ago I started culling all the white shank males from my line of BC and in the process eliminated most of the yellow and straw neck males. Also last year I went a stap farther and culled all males that had white in wing and tail after the Juve molt . Virtually eliminated these faults in my Marans, I am sure it was Wheaten related in my birds. I have never with all the chicks BC hatched a chick looking like a wheaten come out of my Marans BC. My Black copper marans Males have Medium to Dark slate legs.
Don, would you share some of your stock with me?
Do you ship eggs?
Do you ship eggs?
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Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
Sue, three year ago I started culling all the white shank males from my line of BC and in the process eliminated most of the yellow and straw neck males. Also last year I went a stap farther and culled all males that had white in wing and tail after the Juve molt . Virtually eliminated these faults in my Marans, I am sure it was Wheaten related in my birds. I have never with all the chicks BC hatched a chick looking like a wheaten come out of my Marans BC. My Black copper marans Males have Medium to Dark slate legs.
Don I have to agree with you about culling. When I started I had roos with white feathers at the base of the tails, after 4 years of culling I can say that this past summer, I had 14 cockerels all together and as I looked down at them, there was not 1 white feather in the bunch!
I've also never gotten a Wheaten from a black copper, but my flock is mostly Davis and that is probably why.
Hi, I am only writing third hand about this, but I know someone who went to France 2 years ago, and said that the French told him that they have the same problem we have here...wheatens were introduced by mistake to the black coppers in some instances and they are fighting the same battle we are with that problem.
Im only saying what I was told....
Maybe the darker shanks we have here are due to over melanizing...and I don't see a solution for that in the near future.
Sue, three year ago I started culling all the white shank males from my line of BC and in the process eliminated most of the yellow and straw neck males. Also last year I went a stap farther and culled all males that had white in wing and tail after the Juve molt . Virtually eliminated these faults in my Marans, I am sure it was Wheaten related in my birds. I have never with all the chicks BC hatched a chick looking like a wheaten come out of my Marans BC. My Black copper marans Males have Medium to Dark slate legs.
Don I have to agree with you about culling. When I started I had roos with white feathers at the base of the tails, after 4 years of culling I can say that this past summer, I had 14 cockerels all together and as I looked down at them, there was not 1 white feather in the bunch!
I've also never gotten a Wheaten from a black copper, but my flock is mostly Davis and that is probably why.
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