Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Sonoran Silkies]

Is it possible to get a splash out of a black over blue copper marans breeding? I do have a couple blue coppers that are more lavender than blue if that makes a difference.

No. Splash requires that a bird inherit a copy of the blue gene from each parent: one copy from Mama and one from Papa. If one of the parents is black, it does not have a blue gene to bequeath to its offspring.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Penciling is not the same as autosomal barring, and they have different genotypes. Both require the pattern gene, but that is where their genotype similarities begin and end. Autosomal barring requires Db; pencilling requires db+. The barring gene is a sex-linked gene, B. Sex-linked barring looks very different than autosomal barring.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

This girl is 7 wks old and was sold as a BC Marans but I'm not so sure now that I have seen some photos

That bird has definite barring going on. And with legs that light and clean of feathers I would never mistake it as a black copper marans. It COULD be a Marans mix. Definitely a pullet though!

 

[redwood]

No.  Splash requires that a bird inherit a copy of the blue gene from each parent: one copy from Mama and one from Papa.  If one of the parents is black, it does not have a blue gene to bequeath to its offspring.

I have a yellow and brown chick that hatched from a marans egg that i had under a broody. My breeding flock is in its own pen with know other roos so I am not sure what I have. Tried to post a pic but wont post for some reason. Ill try again later.

 

[pinkchick]

Really?  I just read a couple months ago something about this....I think I copy/pasted it into my notes section on my computer..........


Autosomal barred or pencilling (They are both the same, just on different alleles) are an amalgamation of of certain genes, coming together in the same fowl at the same time. Namely Pg (pattern gene) and Db (Dark brown) in the form of Pg/Pg Db/Db.


The only way of identifying whether it is autosomal or barring is by mating to something you know is pure.

Do we know that this has been done in this case?  Perhaps what I'd read isn't accurate...that could be.

Yep Really.

As I understand it......autosomal barring happens when one of the above mentioned genes does not come along with the other. Pg and Db work together as secondary pattern genes and one of them is missing you end up with autosomal barring. Ml/Ml is tossed in here somewhere too, but I can't remember exactly.

Marans are not suppose to have Pg or Db. Pg and Db being secondary pattern genes that control penciling patterns and laced patterns. Penciling is the same as the lacing pattern except it does not carry one of the genes mentioned above.

Example-

Barnevelders- Pg/Pg Db/Db Ml/Ml all 3 make the bird double laced take away one of their Pg genes and a Ml gene and you have a Barnevelder that will have autosomal barring......in other words the birds pattern is incomplete.


That all said.......please double check, but when I asked David Hancox years ago what autosomal barring was and why we were seeing it in the Marans, this was the basic answer.

Campines are autosomal barred and that pattern never covers and it is what we see on an adult bird. On a young Marans that is autosomal barred it will cover as the bird matures.
Think about it.......we only see very young birds in the Marans with it.........have you ever seen a mature Marans that is autosomal barred?



My brain.......it's all dried up!


Sorry did not see that Sonoran Silkies had already answered it and way better than I could have ever. YOU ROCK SONORAN!!!!!!! Thank you!

 

[starlingdaly]

Sooooo there was a family in Durham, NC sizing down their BCM flock and was offering trios of Wade Jean offspring for $75... I couldn't resist.
There were two roosters to choose from. The guy I chose is the older (the father to the other roo) and has a bit of a floppy comb. But the other guy had a halo in the hackles and his main tail had white in it so I went with the floppy comb guy and have marked him as a future cull.
He's really sweet. I'm calling him Eno because that's the area he is from.
Here is the best pic. Bad lighting in the quarantine coop, but critique away! I'll give better pictures tomorrow.

I was really worried about how close to mahogany his hackles are. The girl in the picture also had somewhat darker hackles but I am hoping they still qualify as copper?

Also, Eno is missing his tail feathers because he got knocked off his roost when he was at his old home and managed to lose pretty much all of his tail in the spill. He's molting right now so I am expecting they'll come back in soon.

Also wanted to ask... Is it normal for a Marans rooster's feet to not be very pretty? He's my first chicken with ugly feet. He's got lightly feathered shanks and outer toe but his toes are funny looking. He's a really heavy bird. I can't see him jumping the fence.

ETA In the picture, the lighting makes his hackles look two different colors but they are a solid-ish color all the way through in better light.

 

[blackbirds13]

Sooooo there was a family in Durham, NC sizing down their BCM flock and was offering trios of Wade Jean offspring for $75... I couldn't resist.
There were two roosters to choose from. The guy I chose is the older (the father to the other roo) and has a bit of a floppy comb. But the other guy had a halo in the hackles and his main tail had white in it so I went with the floppy comb guy and have marked him as a future cull.
He's really sweet. I'm calling him Eno because that's the area he is from.
Here is the best pic. Bad lighting in the quarantine coop, but critique away!

I'll give better pictures tomorrow.



I was really worried about how close to mahogany his hackles are. The girl in the picture also had somewhat darker hackles but I am hoping they still qualify as copper?

Also, Eno is missing his tail feathers because he got knocked off his roost when he was at his old home and managed to lose pretty much all of his tail in the spill. He's molting right now so I am expecting they'll come back in soon.

Also wanted to ask... Is it normal for a Marans rooster's feet to not be very pretty? He's my first chicken with ugly feet. He's got lightly feathered shanks and outer toe but his toes are funny looking. He's a really heavy bird. I can't see him jumping the fence.

ETA In the picture, the lighting makes his hackles look two different colors but they are a solid-ish color all the way through in better light.

What color are his feet? They look very light almost yellow or pink? And yes something is up with them but i am not familiar with that at all. I think mites can make the scales look poofed up or something like that but I've never had issues with feet so would not know where to start with that.

 

[starlingdaly]

What color are his feet? They look very light almost yellow or pink? And yes something is up with them but i am not familiar with that at all. I think mites can make the scales look poofed up or something like that but I've never had issues with feet so would not know where to start with that. 

They are grey (the girls have darker legs) but there is a lot of light pink tinting around his ankles downward.

His previous owner did say they had trouble with mites last year, but I think it was feather mites. I could be wrong though.
Would mites from that long ago still have his feet looking funny?

 

[Wynette]

Starling, we can't see in the pic, but I would guess his breast has quite a lot of copper in it?

There's really not much we can provide in the way of feedback from these pics - we need to see him from the side, the front, the top...to see his conformation. Also, are his eyes the correct color? The droopy comb "could" be a nutrition issue. Tough to tell. And what do you mean by his feet look ugly? I can't say as I've ever heard anyone say their cockerel has ugly feet.

I'm suspcious about the supposed accident he has which left him without tail feathers. Since his sire had white tail feathers, I am suspecting this male does as well, and that the owned plucked them to hide that fact, but again, not sure on that.

Can you get some better pictures? Try to "herd" him into a corner...sometimes, that will entice them to pose for you!

I can't see a thing about the hen to be able to provide an opinion. However, it does appear that she has brownish feathers in her cushion area...that could just be the sun or my monitor, though.

Oh, also - the cockerel's hackles do not appear to be mahogany by this picture.

 

[Wynette]

They are grey (the girls have darker legs) but there is a lot of light pink tinting around his ankles downward.

His previous owner did say they had trouble with mites last year, but I think it was feather mites. I could be wrong though.
Would mites from that long ago still have his feet looking funny?

When you say "gray" are they a medium shade (that's actually called "slate," not gray). THe pink showing through is correct, per the SOP. If he had scaley leg mites, that could most definitely leave the scales on his legs raised up...is that what you are seeing?