Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Ihilani Coffee]

my hubby is impressed that I am learning new vocabulary words,him too and he scored on a GT test 137 and he would have had to look that up.

I love chicken people!!!!

Well I have a vocabulary and I'm not afraid to use it! I thought some people might need to look up parsimonious, quantitative, and perhaps even adjective. The Marans of America club website is where I came across this:
"Cock : Black-breasted red, with parsimonious red spotting on the breast. Having a black wing triangle. The red markings are not to be yellow or mahogany. Copper colored lancets in the neck hackle & the back. Deep red shoulders."

Even the word "red" is misleading here. My understanding is that the deep copper color should be consistent throughout all areas that have copper, and not be lighter (halo) at the bottom of the hackles or on the saddle or even "parsimoniously" on the breast, but all the same deep shade of copper. I'm a horse person, and so the color in my animal genetics dictionary would be "mahogany bay" but I know that mahogany is not a good word to use related to BCM as (I believe) it means the super super dark almost blackish of a true RIR. Again, I'm a newbie so please if I am incorrect I welcome edification from a knowledgeable source.

 

[NYREDS]

Did we all just get warped into a English lesson?

Into AN english lesson.

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

Wynette, I have been thinking about your question to me: why do I feel like its a challenge to raise for sop and the homestead? I think I have a few answers. First, let me acknowledge that culling for sop works to give you birds to eat, but the output for the amount of meat to eat is where I get stuck. These birds are big boned but not big in meat output. I don't say this as someone who hasn't raised birds of a variety for meat, or who doesn't know that frankenbirds are not what I should expect of all birds. I find myself wondering if these birds are really just for their eggs and prestige? I am not poopooing them, just asking because they don't seem very 'meaty.'

I too have raised many meat birds. BCM are considered dual purpose and any dual purpose bird is not going to excel in either area but be acceptable for both. Strictly egg-production birds like the Leghorns are very slight bodied and would not be worth my time to butcher. The BCM seem to be a larger LF and will give a decent amount of meat it seems. If they were just for their eggs they would have to produce larger numbers of eggs per year to be put in that category IMO.

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

Into AN english lesson.

*LOL* The Grammar Police have arrived! I'm an automatic proofreader and find typos in paperback books.

 

[DMRippy]

 
Did we all just get warped into a English lesson? 

Into AN english lesson.

lol

 

[DMRippy]

my hubby is impressed that I am learning new vocabulary words,him too and he scored on a GT test 137 and he would have had to look that up.


I love chicken people!!!!

Well I have a vocabulary and I'm not afraid to use it!  I thought some people might need to look up parsimonious, quantitative, and perhaps even adjective.  The Marans of America club website is where I came across this:  
"Cock :  Black-breasted red, with parsimonious red spotting on the breast. Having a black wing triangle. The red markings are not to be yellow or mahogany. Copper colored lancets in the neck hackle & the back. Deep red shoulders."

Even the word "red" is misleading here.  My understanding is that the deep copper color should be consistent throughout all areas that have copper, and not be lighter (halo) at the bottom of the hackles or on the saddle or even "parsimoniously" on the breast, but all the same deep shade of copper.  I'm a horse person, and so the color in my animal genetics dictionary would be "mahogany bay" but I know that mahogany is not a good word to use related to BCM as (I believe) it means the super super dark almost blackish of a true RIR.  Again, I'm a newbie so please if I am incorrect I welcome edification from a knowledgeable source.

i knew them all but thought parsimoniously was referring to the color.

the mahogany is a deep deep red color. look up a partridge rock and a high quality Blue laced red wyandotte that is the look of mahogany.

was the kind of edification you were looking for?

side note.... I worked at a college and we had a student from Korea and we were kind a friend's and she asked me one day about some words she learned growing up andbsaid no one here knew what she was talking about and I asked her what kinds of words and it was sad to think no one else she had meet in the US knew those words....but me really? we need to use our vocabularies!

 

[DMRippy]

 

Into AN english lesson.

*LOL*  The Grammar Police have arrived!  I'm an automatic proofreader and find typos in paperback books.

I did that in a previous life. had to call a customer and ask her if she really wanted the word vowels printed on her wedding invitation.......

 

[hosspak]

I did that in a previous life. had to call a customer and ask her if she really wanted the word vowels printed on her wedding invitation.......

 

[chicken pickin]

I have too many boys. They are all 8 weeks old. Some are starting to develop a lot of color on their chests. I am a inclined to cull those at this point. Should I?









And what about this guy below? Is this a sign of more to come? I like this one for some reason so trying not to get sentimental.





Thanks.

How many boys do you have to choose from. These all seem to have a lot of copper showing already.

 

[ashandvine]

I too have raised many meat birds. BCM are considered dual purpose and any dual purpose bird is not going to excel in either area but be acceptable for both. Strictly egg-production birds like the Leghorns are very slight bodied and would not be worth my time to butcher. The BCM seem to be a larger LF and will give a decent amount of meat it seems. If they were just for their eggs they would have to produce larger numbers of eggs per year to be put in that category IMO.

So far the Chantecler is the only real dual purpose I have found although the Euskal wasn't too bad. I can eat any of them and they do lay eggs. When I butcher up a bird it has to have either legs/thighs or a breast to make it worth it. Most just don't. I think you have a good point though. Maybe I am asking too much, like some people do of the egg category instead of meat.