Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[Sarplaninec]

So I found this one breeder one time on the east coast on the internet.Now I can find them, nor do I remember their website.
I do remember that their chicks had NO white feathers …..strictly black for the BCM breed. A chick cost about $100 or more.
Does someone know of them or anyone else with this quality.

 

[Zanna]

I have a mystery. This is a chick hatched 12/19/13. Either it came from the BCM pen or *someone* mistakenly put it in the wrong coat pocket and it's from the blue copper pen. From the day-old photo I'm told this is a wheaten outcrop chick.

Here is the same chick today, 4.5 weeks old. Pure snow white (except that little bit of BluKote on the shoulder). What gives? If this were a recessive white I'd be getting more of these chicks (25% statistical average, yes?). I'm SO confused.

If this chick came from one of my pullets, here is a little history........... I bought two Roos from a breeder almost two years ago, a Cock and his Cockeral son. The breeder also was showing a white Marans cockeral at the same show as the two I purchased. He was apparently a full brother to the Cockeral I bought (and son to the Cock). From 5 years of breeding her BCM, she only ever had the one white and when the yellow tyke hatched she had the same thoughts as you but he turned out to be a recessive white from the BCM breeding is my understanding. None of the hens I bred last year are related to the Cock or Cockeral I bred them to and at over 150 chicks hatched I never had a white so who knows??? I think your chick is cool though!!! Maybe Snowbird will give some input...................

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

If this chick came from one of my pullets, here is a little history........... I bought two Roos from a breeder almost two years ago, a Cock and his Cockeral son. The breeder also was showing a white Marans cockeral at the same show as the two I purchased. He was apparently a full brother to the Cockeral I bought (and son to the Cock). From 5 years of breeding her BCM, she only ever had the one white and when the yellow tyke hatched she had the same thoughts as you but he turned out to be a recessive white from the BCM breeding is my understanding. None of the hens I bred last year are related to the Cock or Cockeral I bred them to and at over 150 chicks hatched I never had a white so who knows??? I think your chick is cool though!!! Maybe Snowbird will give some input...................

Yep it did. The sire is from someone who has had a closed flock for 4 years she says. What are the odds that newbie me gets this in the second hatch?

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: Both lines are carrying recessive white.... what are the odds????

I had a similar thing happen today. I have some Olive Egger eggs in the bator. I put them with my WL because they SHOULD have been blue and black. ALL the chicks in that basket are WHITE

My Lav Am roo throws whites but not like that! One every 10 chicks maybe. Maybe he is Dom white....or my Marans are carrying rec white..... IDK.

The good news for you..... Whites were just admitted

Recessive white is the best for breeding whites.

 

[Brada Puhi]

Cool. I hope I get some.

 

[Brada Puhi]

Kinda like the classic Mendel experiment, the recessive gene doesn't show until the F2 generation or even F3. But with an unrelated sire, even more rare!

 

[Zanna]

Yep it did. The sire is from someone who has had a closed flock for 4 years she says. What are the odds that newbie me gets this in the second hatch?

If you know the individual hen, would you let me know her toe punch? I am curious if her Dad was the Cock or Cockeral.

 

[Zanna]

Kinda like the classic Mendel experiment, the recessive gene doesn't show until the F2 generation or even F3. But with an unrelated sire, even more rare!

Interesting and fun isn't it!!!!!

 

[DMRippy]

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You could test them for it...... find another breed with rec white and breed them together. If you get white chicks..... he carries rec white. MAKE SURE it is RECESSIVE white you are crossing with though.

 

[ChickPooh]

Ok, ladies & gentlemen, I need some help here.

I hatched and raised, from my birds, this boy. I initially kept him, for a new pen, as a Black Copper Marans. But I'm not so sure anymore if this is what he is! The possible moms: black copper Marans and blue Ameraucanas. The dads: Black Copper Marans and Ameraucana.

I think he's an Olive Egger f1, but I'm fairly new to breeding and what the heck do I know??

Reasons why I think he's an OE:
Yellow legs
Way too much red on his chest
White ear lobes
White feathers on the base of his tail.

If he's an OE, it will be even better than a BCM!!!! I've been searching for a OE roo and maybe I already have one... I is he just a poor quality BCM? Not sure if these are common faults.

Thanks in advance for the help!