Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[pinkchick]

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Yep.....he sure is Da' BOMB!!!!!! He has a fabulous eye for birds! I admire him greatly and heed all advise given from him. I have learned more from his eye and comments than I can tell you.

 

[marquisella]

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The color that comes in, is the color it stays. I don't think that cockerel has straw color. If I was to say one of them has straw color, it would be the the oldest one you pictured, his hackles lighten up at the ends, that is straw colored and called "flaming" and is considered a fault.

Unless my monitor is showing the colors incorrectly, I would not give up on the lighter overall colored boy. His is light copper, but still within the copper color.

Sue

 

[pinkchick]

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The color that comes in, is the color it stays. I don't think that cockerel has straw color. If I was to say one of them has straw color, it would be the the oldest one you pictured, his hackles lighten up at the ends, that is straw colored and called "flaming" and is considered a fault.

Unless my monitor is showing the colors incorrectly, I would not give up on the lighter overall colored boy. His is light copper, but still within the copper color.

Sue

Flame is now considered a fault??????

I thought that there was no mention of it and that it wasn't a fault. Clarify for me please Sue? Thanks!

 

[geebs]

IF there is other choices.. lets see those.. I am seeing quite a light hackle and no leg feathering... I would like another couple of views of Cockerel number two with the darker hackle feathers.. he has leg feathering and a better presentation though the other one is gaining substance I would think he is entirely too light in the hackle to produce Excellence... It could be worked with if this is what you have left... You would need very dark red hen hackles to balance it out and also every hen would have to have correct leg feathering... I find it is easiest to make corrections with a correct rooster on incorrect hens than the other way around....Other ppl may have a different experience.

 

[geebs]

Don't get your terminology mixed up pink..not talking about the "flames" in the chest..They need to be there to breed forward good rooster making hens.. Very important... Hackles only... the lighter color bleaching out.. I think semantics can really work against us here.

Again Showbirds and breeding stock don't mean the same thing....

 

[blackbirds13]

...with 4 sons and 1 grandson I think your 100% would be at least doubled

...gotta admit I'm sooooo dying to try hatching for the second time!!! but still working on plans for a second coop - it's amazing how quickly this chickaholic thing grabs ahold of you, my hubby started off so against having roosters that I'm not sure who thiat new pod-person was that was out there this fall and winter trying to pet all those boys I had running around.

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If I had send you eggs, I could promise ALMOST 100% boys

 

[pinkchick]

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I think this time I'm not confused Jan...for once!

Sue was referencing "flaming" in the hackles....not chest...and the last time I knew....flame or flaming in the hackles was not mentioned as a fault and is not mentioned under general cuts and defects, so I would think that since it is not mentioned under generalities in the SOP and if the hackle isn't straw colored/brassy/too light/yellowish that the "flame" in the hackles is acceptable. We actually see it alot in BC and Bl- Cpr's.

Just if it has changed and is a fault now....I want to know for sure because it means that I have more to worry about and more to work on

.....Gnarles has "flaming" going on in his hackles and always has....I would think someone would have whacked me with a big red sign if when they saw photo's of him and told me that I needed to work on it or start over.

 

[geebs]

I am not sure where to go to look for that... But I do know that the French (which we are modeling our standards after) it is listed as a fault and something to cull for... No straw.... The judges at Newnan were very clear about us improving that... I don't know where one could read up on faults... The of course are not the same as defects...

 

[geebs]

Lets see a picture and what we are talking about and what we can do... I defer to the French pages at the front of the thread... Nothing is perfect Pink... Gnarles is a pretty Gnarley dude and a line based on him is the best jumping off point as the egg color is just a given... anyone can see that he adds egg color... everything else comes after that.. according to the French.. then work on all the other stuff so Gnarles is good...

 

[pinkchick]

Okay.....give it to me.......are his hackles too light? He is the bird that I am using to improve hackle color in my females. Am I on the wrong track? Set me straight Jan! His hackles are slightly darker now after he finished his first molt. I will try and get a updated pic of him, but isn't happening today....it's just dumping snow here right now....I think we are up to about 4 inches so far.