Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[math ace]

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The standard calls for cockerels at 7 lbs and roosters at 8 lbs.

Mossiness will not go away. He is allowed about 10% mossiness on the chest before it is considered too much. He looks like he might be about 20% mossines on his chest.

You roo has some nice aspects too - - very nice comb with evenly spaced well defined points. Color balance is good on him.

Hope this helps you out!

 

[Freckle Face Farm]

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OMG - - Don't put me in that pro status. I am way toooo green still.

I promised a picture of my roo to compare him to. HERE is my DISCLAIMER - - - my roo has a ton of faults. . . He has too short of a back, his tail is Way to HIGH, and he has a HUGE HONKIN COMB and Wattle. . . I am not saying my boy is all that and a box of cracker jacks. . .

BUT LOOK AT THE SIDE VIEW of his chest and see how it is rounded and expands. . .

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/IMG_1535.jpg


The front on shot did not come out the greatest. I think he turned slightly so that he looks thinner in the picture than he really is.
HOWEVER, I am posting it so we can still compare apples to apples. You can still see that his chest stays rounded.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/IMG_1534.jpg

The comb and wattle size is affected by the heat and face it we are in Fl so it is going to be bigger..

The hotter it is the bigger the wattles and comb.
He is a handsome guy..

 

[pinkchick]

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The standard calls for cockerels at 7 lbs and roosters at 8 lbs.

Mossiness will not go away. He is allowed about 10% mossiness on the chest before it is considered too much. He looks like he might be about 20% mossines on his chest.

You roo has some nice aspects too - - very nice comb with evenly spaced well defined points. Color balance is good on him.

Hope this helps you out!

Mossiness is not allowed on the chest, however coppering is and that should not exceed more than 10%.

Note: Coppery marks in the chest are not the same as overly red or shafting in the breast/chest area. Hope this helps!

 

[math ace]

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PINK I don't understnad the statement I bolded. . . Please re-explain to me!

Does this cook_kaka_ook 's boy examplify mossiness or coppering in the chest ?

HOW ABOUT HIS cockerel - - is it mossiness or coppering ? ?

 

[math ace]

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Mossiness is not allowed on the chest, however coppering is and that should not exceed more than 10%.

Thanks for correcting me pink! I was multi-tasking here and not paying attention.

Mossiness is BAD Always.
In the chest, roos are allowed 10% additional coppering. . . .

I do use the term mossiness loosely because I believe I read one that it was defined as any color bleeding through where it was not appropriate. . . . And that is what is going on with the coppering in the chest.

HOWEVER, I will be much more careful with future usage of the term. . .

 

[pinkchick]

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PINK I don't understnad the statement I bolded. . . Please re-explain to me!

Does this cook_kaka_ook 's boy examplify mossiness or coppering in the chest ?

HOW ABOUT HIS cockerel - - is it mossiness or coppering ? ?


http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/marans roos - 11 weeks/IMG_1371.jpg

I would call this overly red....this red may molt out and could cover with black when this boy matures, but he may still have a few marks or red in his chest upon maturity.

Shafting is where the feather is slightly washed or faded out looking orangy color, but the shaft of the feather is very pronounced and light in color.....some say that shafting is indicitive of Wheaten influence.

Copper marks in the breast/chest area that are acceptable is only slight copper marks that are random on the chest, the feather will not be completely copper.....only copper on or around the bottom of the feather, almost looks like lacing but it is not laced and the feather will not show shafting.

If I have made a mistake I know someone will come along and correct me....but IMHO, these 3 things are completely different.

Does this help?

I will try and get a photo of Gnarles sometime today or tomorrow for you....Gnarles has a few random copper marks in his breast. If I can get them to show up good in the photo you will definately see the difference. I'm up for making his day anyway....I haven't fooled with him in a couple weeks so he is due a little people attention.

 

[math ace]

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So, this boy is an example of SHAFTING ? ? ?

This Boy is Overly red Which is BAD because it is too much. If he had the same color in the chest, BUT much less - - - it would be ok- RIGHT?

If this boy was used in a breeding program - - - What could he bring to the program - - Mossiness OR additional coppering in hackles?

 

[pinkchick]

Math~

I can't seet the first photo clearly enough to answer and the second boy that is overly red is still useable in a breeding program....you would use him over females that do not show enough color or no color in the hackles, this should help improve the hackle color of the next generation female offspring.


Not the best photo's as I was trying to get good shots of him in the back of someone's truck in the middle of a parking lot but, here are a couple photos of Gnarles' father. He has coppering in his chest....now it may look like the copper is covering the entire feather but I assure you it is not. I held this boy in my arms looking him over thoroughly and never wanted to let him go, only the visual portion of the feather was copper and the portion of the feather that we do not see was blue. Gnarles has less coppering in his chest, but has way better hackle and saddle color than his father.

Oh....and when I refer to something as being overly red...I am not just referring to the breast or chest area, I'm referring to the overall red tones and red on the entire bird.

 

[snowbird]

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PINK I don't understnad the statement I bolded. . . Please re-explain to me!

Does this cook_kaka_ook 's boy examplify mossiness or coppering in the chest ?

HOW ABOUT HIS cockerel - - is it mossiness or coppering ? ?


http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/marans roos - 11 weeks/IMG_1371.jpg

I would call this overly red....this red may molt out and could cover with black when this boy matures, but he may still have a few marks or red in his chest upon maturity.

Shafting is where the feather is slightly washed or faded out looking orangy color, but the shaft of the feather is very pronounced and light in color.....some say that shafting is indicitive of Wheaten influence.

Copper marks in the breast/chest area that are acceptable is only slight copper marks that are random on the chest, the feather will not be completely copper.....only copper on or around the bottom of the feather, almost looks like lacing but it is not laced and the feather will not show shafting.

If I have made a mistake I know someone will come along and correct me....but IMHO, these 3 things are completely different.

Does this help?

I will try and get a photo of Gnarles sometime today or tomorrow for you....Gnarles has a few random copper marks in his breast. If I can get them to show up good in the photo you will definately see the difference. I'm up for making his day anyway....I haven't fooled with him in a couple weeks so he is due a little people attention.

I might be able to help on this as I have had a few over the years. Shafting is when the quill of the feather is light, Mossy is when you will have a brown lacing on the feather with mealy brown spots. It is recommended by most that the breeding BC Marans males have the brown or copper spots on the breast. There should be no mark down for this. The brown spot should be at the tip of the feather.

This male in question has a very bad comb as it follows the neck to close and has a thumb print towards the back end. Don

 

[snowbird]

I should also say that the female that have too much lacing on chest are not Mossy, they are just over marked. Don