Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[sewandgrow]

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So, this boy is an example of SHAFTING ? ? ?
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This Boy is Overly red Which is BAD because it is too much. If he had the same color in the chest, BUT much less - - - it would be ok- RIGHT?

If this boy was used in a breeding program - - - What could he bring to the program - - Mossiness OR additional coppering in hackles?

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/marans roos - 11 weeks/IMG_1371.jpg

Lisa....I am going to try out what I think I have learned about the red on the chest. I think this guy would add color to your "too black" girls.............Am I right???????????????? I, up to this point ,only "think" these things & wait til someone that really knows what they are doing makes the call..........LOL

 

[math ace]

Never mind - - got it

 

[snowbird]

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Lisa, I would not be afraid to use your male with a little extra brown over some darker female if he has no DQ's Don

 

[math ace]

WOW

LOOK

at the chest on Gnarle's daddy !

HUGE WIDE FULL CHEST - - beautiful

I have two younsters that I want you to take a look at. One has better blue lacing, but the other just has a monsterous chest starting. They are only 6 week old cockerels. . . . I am leaning towards holding onto the boy with the BULK. . . I think I want to BULK up my hens BEFORE I concentrate on things like combs, etc.

It is all dreary and wet here today. . . I need to get some new pictures for us to look at.

 

[math ace]

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Lisa, I would not be afraid to use your male with a little extra brown over some darker female if he has no DQ's Don

Good! However, I am at the end of the spectrum with my girls - - - I want to darken them up.

The blues are looking so much better with the first crossing back to my BCM male. I think I have only hatched ONE BCM pullet out of two hatches. I haven't had a chance to look closely at her yet. I can't see her to often due to all the dang cockerels !

 

[pinkchick]

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Thank you! I am still trying to get my hands on that bird and should have taken him last year when his owner offered him to me. After several emails to my friend that owns him and a couple phone calls I have yet to hear back. I loved this bird for his overall type and he was such sweetie. I should have taken a photo of Gnarles Black Copper mother who was in the crate below G's dad but I was so in love with the rooster I didn't even think of getting photos of his very lovely mother while she was there.

 

[BevDavis]

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I would call this overly red....this red may molt out and could cover with black when this boy matures, but he may still have a few marks or red in his chest upon maturity.

Shafting is where the feather is slightly washed or faded out looking orangy color, but the shaft of the feather is very pronounced and light in color.....some say that shafting is indicitive of Wheaten influence.

Copper marks in the breast/chest area that are acceptable is only slight copper marks that are random on the chest, the feather will not be completely copper.....only copper on or around the bottom of the feather, almost looks like lacing but it is not laced and the feather will not show shafting.

If I have made a mistake I know someone will come along and correct me....but IMHO, these 3 things are completely different.

Does this help?

I will try and get a photo of Gnarles sometime today or tomorrow for you....Gnarles has a few random copper marks in his breast. If I can get them to show up good in the photo you will definately see the difference. I'm up for making his day anyway....I haven't fooled with him in a couple weeks so he is due a little people attention.

I might be able to help on this as I have had a few over the years. Shafting is when the quill of the feather is light, Mossy is when you will have a brown lacing on the feather with mealy brown spots. It is recommended by most that the breeding BC Marans males have the brown or copper spots on the breast. There should be no mark down for this. The brown spot should be at the tip of the feather.

This male in question has a very bad comb as it follows the neck to close and has a thumb print towards the back end. Don

Hi

I would not advise people to breed black copper with red in their breasts from Wade Jeane lines. Some of the birds in this line are carrying wheaten and red in the breast is a sign that wheaten is there. I have been told it's extremely difficult to breed the wheaten genes out of a BC line.

Bev

 

[cook_kaka_ook]

Again thank you for all your inputs. I'm just a wanna be dark egg enthusiast truly green in this aspect. But without a doubt BCM is my choice and serious breeding is still in the earliest stages for me. Having said that, I am adding my boy's cockerel photo to give you an idea how he looked like at 14-weeks. I hope this will give some pointers to all serious breeder out there. Coppering (is this the right term?) when pertaining to excessive copper feathers on the chest as you can see was more pronounced then compared to present day photo. So I guess it will never go away but sort of fades away hence, a DQ for a show competition?

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So, this boy is an example of SHAFTING ? ? ?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/43725_0301011539b.jpg




This Boy is Overly red Which is BAD because it is too much. If he had the same color in the chest, BUT much less - - - it would be ok- RIGHT?

If this boy was used in a breeding program - - - What could he bring to the program - - Mossiness OR additional coppering in hackles?

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/marans roos - 11 weeks/IMG_1371.jpg

 

[snowbird]

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I might be able to help on this as I have had a few over the years. Shafting is when the quill of the feather is light, Mossy is when you will have a brown lacing on the feather with mealy brown spots. It is recommended by most that the breeding BC Marans males have the brown or copper spots on the breast. There should be no mark down for this. The brown spot should be at the tip of the feather.

This male in question has a very bad comb as it follows the neck to close and has a thumb print towards the back end. Don

Hi

I would not advise people to breed black copper with red in their breasts from Wade Jeane lines. Some of the birds in this line are carrying wheaten and red in the breast is a sign that wheaten is there. I have been told it's extremely difficult to breed the wheaten genes out of a BC line.

Bev

Hi, I agree partially as I believe the mostly brown breast is a sign of wheaten influence. I believe the biggest sign is the white leg with a lot of brown on the breast. I do not have a problem with the brown or copper spots because I believe it is normal. I have Wade Jeane and have not had a wheaten colored chick and have hatched oner 1000 chicks from that line, but have hatched just about every other fault known from them. Don

 

[snowbird]

Quote:
So, this boy is an example of SHAFTING ? ? ?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/43725_0301011539b.jpg




This Boy is Overly red Which is BAD because it is too much. If he had the same color in the chest, BUT much less - - - it would be ok- RIGHT?

If this boy was used in a breeding program - - - What could he bring to the program - - Mossiness OR additional coppering in hackles?

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/cliff1801/marans roos - 11 weeks/IMG_1371.jpg


The shafting here is more a problem than the excess copper on the breast. Shafting is the lighter stripe in middle of the copper feather. Don