Black Penedesencas, light Brahmas, ee's...tell me!

[taraann81]

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Yes that's Mabel..Shes a bullmastiff one of our two bullmastiffs. I got black pennies and I guess they are not as flight as the other colors!~

 

[sjcolorwing]

The EE whitish roo is a homozygous blue and he will throw 100% blue chicks. Also there is a gene in some that causes the dark lace on the gray feather and sometime when it is combined with black and not the blue , the black color can have a darker edge to it and they look like a blue but it is realy the lacing gene . It is call autosomal barring , not to be confused with sexlinked barring. It is what creates the laceing in wyndottes and the penciling in buttercups. There is a picture of a barred chick in the picture. It looks very much likd a cuckoo barring, but cuckoo is the sexlinked kind of barring and it wont create the same colors. Sometimes Partridge means its the autosomal barring as penciling or lacing. It also causes dots as is in Spangled Hamburgs. So as not to look like I jumped topic, some blues carry this barring gene to help them have a dark lace to the feather edge. Some breeds of blue dont want the lacing and want a smooth gray blue only. But then they just look like a lavender color. But this latter one is harder to breed as the lacing gene is quite common.
So no matter what you breed to that whitish roo , all the chicks will be some kind of blue .

Steve

 

[Happy Chooks]

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Interesting. Thanks for the information. But can I ask, how do you know by looking at him he is homozygous blue?

 

[HorseFeatherz NV]

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I think you are talking about my roo Versace - since he is the only whitish roo pictured -- Versace is an Orpington - a splash so he does have blue and splash chicks, and white from my white Cochin. You are correct about the lacing, he seems to put some nice lacing on his chicks - does not matter the hen. I have crossed him with EEs, Dels, Cochins and Orps.

Thanks for the great info on the lacing.

 

[sjcolorwing]

Well if you look at his neck feathers and tail feathers that are colored they are blue gray. Depending on the genetic combinations, if you take the black gene or genes out , instead of getting the irratic marking you tend to get a bird that is white with a red back very similar to a red pyle. But there may still be a few gray feathers that grow in. Some people ad dominant white to them and it helps to stop any of the gray freathers from growing in and it whitens the off white and it has trouble affecting the red and it creates a intense red pyle bird. For some reason when the black genes are involve you get various types of splashes. Many white chicken breeds have pure blue under the white to make a clean pure white. Recessive white and dominant white have problems makeing a clean white and some color leaks through. So covering up a off white works pretty good. But on splashes you should see some blue feathers streaking in. I couldn't enlarge it but you can see them. The other post of blues the one roo has a large red patch on his back, so if he was a wheaten blue or lets say a pattern blue then that red patch is what gets left on the white bird. For some reason they dont splash out as much. The red brown blue leaves a gold hackle and upper back and wing in brown and the tail and under body turn white. The hens get a white tail and show white birchen markings in the neck.
If u want to see some pics of some, go to feathersite breeds and look up Empordanesa then follow the german link, translate it and click on empordanesa to see the differant colors. They are a spanish breed that comes from Catalonia where Penedesenca come from. They lay a real dark egg also, and not at flighty as the Penedesenca. Also you can see some modifications to what can be done with colors like your EE hen that you have pictured , some are near white with a black tail and the neck markings. Similar to a brama but its more of a light buckskin with the dark neck.
Many dont know about the other colors you can get with blues because the black blues are so popular. The white wheaten blues are suppose to be really like a red pyle , or at least the males are.

Sorry to jump subject a bit. But hope that helps.

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Terrie