Blue Laced Red Wyandotte THREAD!

[delisha]

Here is my dark blue laced red pullet - 6 months old this week!

Beautiful slate blue color.

Quote: Very good points..Thank you for sharing..

My answer was not to offend. Indiscriminate breeding is not a dirty word. My free range flock do it every day.

 

[ki4got]

Very good points..Thank you for sharing..

My answer was not to offend. Indiscriminate breeding is not a dirty word. My free range flock do it every day.

I also have a free ranged flock, made up of primarily dorkings. but i'm not pushing them as *being* dorkings.i'm being totally honest with anyone who asks. they are dorking x *whatever* (wyandotte, ee or orpington). the ee crosses lay nice blue eggs. that's about the jist of it.

they *WILL* make nice freezer birds or colorful backyard egg layers for people who just want a few pets.

 

[delisha]

Exactly..
Thank you again..

 

[FlySammyJ]

Hey guys, I've been on a Golden Laced quest lately. I was talking to a breeder about their relative scarcity the other say, and I thought what they had to say might spark some conversation. They asserted that most of the quality GL stock has been used to create BLRs, effectively ruining the GL breed. What do you guys think? Is there any truth to their statement? Do breeders have a responsibility to preserve the breeds we deem "heritage," and how far does it go? If most of the quality GL lines are in BLRs, can "brassy" and "black-laced" culls be bred back into GL stock to diversify genetics? Inquiring minds want to know!

 

[ki4got]

Hey guys, I've been on a Golden Laced quest lately. I was talking to a breeder about their relative scarcity the other say, and I thought what they had to say might spark some conversation. They asserted that most of the quality GL stock has been used to create BLRs, effectively ruining the GL breed. What do you guys think? Is there any truth to their statement? Do breeders have a responsibility to preserve the breeds we deem "heritage," and how far does it go? If most of the quality GL lines are in BLRs, can "brassy" and "black-laced" culls be bred back into GL stock to diversify genetics? Inquiring minds want to know!

i wouldn't say the blue laced red 'ruined' the gold laced, but yes, gold and silver laced were probably used to start the blrw. along with partridge (for the dark red) and blue...

i would ask, why didn't they keep the gold laced going? it only takes a few birds to keep a quality line going, and breeding the parent birds to other varieties does nothing to that parent bird's genetics, so once you had your start, go back to the beginning again and produce another generation of gold laced (and partridge & blues)...

it irks me when people think that when a purebred (of any species) is bred to another breed, it ruins the parent stock of both forever, which is totally rediculous... i had dog breeders tell me because my chocolate lab got 'got' by a mutt, she was now 'worthless' for breeding. hm. go figure, her next litter (of purebred chocolate labs) produced a grand champion field dog. even tho the 'pros' told me it was impossible. sorry got off on a tangent there.

and i would say that "most of the quality GL lines are in BLRs", that if that were true, then that doesn't say much for the original type of the gold laced, since most blue laced are lacking in one way or another.

i would say, if you want to work on a gold laced line, go back to the BEST silver laced you can find, and breed the absolute best blrw to it. whether blue or black laced really doesn't matter, you'll get some good black laced birds. then start choosing the best F1 offspring (type wise) that did not carry blue, and breed them back to each other. (or the best of any of them back to the blue laced if you want to improve that line). the F2 generation, i would choose the BEST roosters (medium gold/red, not the lightest or darkest) and put them over the best silver laced hens. this would produce red hens and lighter golden cockerels. those golden cockerels, put them in the freezer. you don't want to continue silver in the lines. the (F3) red hens from a silver mother CAN NOT carry silver, so the mutation ends there. breed these red hens (choosing best type and lightest golden color) and breed them back to the F2 roosters you kept back (their father's generation). the next generation (now F4), again choose the best, lightest hens and breed to the best overall typed roosters. if that rooster produces any silver offspring, do NOT use his cockerels in further generations. the gold pullets would be fine.

and if you have any GOOD gold laced, go ahead and incorporate them into the lines too. ideally using a good gold laced rooster over the color-crossed red/gold pullets.

the basis for this is simple. mahogany (dark red) is dominant. so selecting lighter hens will lead you away from this trait. (all F1 hens would be dark though). selecting the lightest roosters (any from the silver crossed lineage) will probably still carry silver, which will dilute the red some. but they wonlt breed true, so by using the best F1, F2 typed roosters that are neither mahogany or paler gold based, you'll get more true golds.

once you have golden roosters that no longer produce silver pullets, i would say the line is now back to being gold laced, because you've eliminated the mahogany and silver genes that were introduced in the initial cross. bringing in more true gold laced should, in turn, improve on the color of the crossed line, and the crossed line should improve on the type of the gold laced.

 

[TravisE]

i have one of 13 blue laced red wyandotte chicks from nava. that keeps scratching its head. its starting to draw blood. also its about half the size of the others. it is eating and drinking. this little one has had a few problems since i got it. should i just cull it? i have no way to separate it from the others. ps it does not have mites or any thang i can see for it to be scratching

. it started last night. i hope some one with experience with raising these can help me determed what to do. plus i dont want it to pass on bad genes. if it would live.
thanks inadvance
travis

 

[bice14]

i wouldn't say the blue laced red 'ruined' the gold laced, but yes, gold and silver laced were probably used to start the blrw. along with partridge (for the dark red) and blue...

i would ask, why didn't they keep the gold laced going? it only takes a few birds to keep a quality line going, and breeding the parent birds to other varieties does nothing to that parent bird's genetics, so once you had your start, go back to the beginning again and produce another generation of gold laced (and partridge & blues)...

it irks me when people think that when a purebred (of any species) is bred to another breed, it ruins the parent stock of both forever, which is totally rediculous... i had dog breeders tell me because my chocolate lab got 'got' by a mutt, she was now 'worthless' for breeding. hm. go figure, her next litter (of purebred chocolate labs) produced a grand champion field dog. even tho the 'pros' told me it was impossible. sorry got off on a tangent there.

and i would say that "most of the quality GL lines are in BLRs", that if that were true, then that doesn't say much for the original type of the gold laced, since most blue laced are lacking in one way or another.

i would say, if you want to work on a gold laced line, go back to the BEST silver laced you can find, and breed the absolute best blrw to it. whether blue or black laced really doesn't matter, you'll get some good black laced birds. then start choosing the best F1 offspring (type wise) that did not carry blue, and breed them back to each other. (or the best of any of them back to the blue laced if you want to improve that line). the F2 generation, i would choose the BEST roosters (medium gold/red, not the lightest or darkest) and put them over the best silver laced hens. this would produce red hens and lighter golden cockerels. those golden cockerels, put them in the freezer. you don't want to continue silver in the lines. the (F3) red hens from a silver mother CAN NOT carry silver, so the mutation ends there. breed these red hens (choosing best type and lightest golden color) and breed them back to the F2 roosters you kept back (their father's generation). the next generation (now F4), again choose the best, lightest hens and breed to the best overall typed roosters. if that rooster produces any silver offspring, do NOT use his cockerels in further generations. the gold pullets would be fine.

and if you have any GOOD gold laced, go ahead and incorporate them into the lines too. ideally using a good gold laced rooster over the color-crossed red/gold pullets.

the basis for this is simple. mahogany (dark red) is dominant. so selecting lighter hens will lead you away from this trait. (all F1 hens would be dark though). selecting the lightest roosters (any from the silver crossed lineage) will probably still carry silver, which will dilute the red some. but they wonlt breed true, so by using the best F1, F2 typed roosters that are neither mahogany or paler gold based, you'll get more true golds.

once you have golden roosters that no longer produce silver pullets, i would say the line is now back to being gold laced, because you've eliminated the mahogany and silver genes that were introduced in the initial cross. bringing in more true gold laced should, in turn, improve on the color of the crossed line, and the crossed line should improve on the type of the gold laced.

WOW you know your stuff! Good to know this type of advice is given to enthusiasts.

 

[delisha]

i have one of 13 blue laced red wyandotte chicks from nava. that keeps scratching its head. its starting to draw blood. also its about half the size of the others. it is eating and drinking. this little one has had a few problems since i got it. should i just cull it? i have no way to separate it from the others. ps it does not have mites or any thang i can see for it to be scratching

. it started last night. i hope some one with experience with raising these can help me determed what to do. plus i dont want it to pass on bad genes. if it would live.
thanks inadvance
travis

Travis,

I would not cull a chick for scratching. I would cull a chick for non thriving. Some simply are destined to problems. I do not cull for size until week 8. Tiny meal, but still delicious. With this chick it seems you have having several issues from your statement. For the health of your flock I would cull.

 

[delisha]

Quote: What wonderful information..thank you for sharing..so many people have so much knowledge and I wish more shared. You are an asset to the breed. Thank you.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: personally, i think part of the problem with improving a breed or variety, is simply that it takes time and patience... it's a fairly simple process, but not one people seem to want to follow because it takes time. and generations. and wyandottes, being slow to mature, take longer than other breeds where you might get 2 generations in a year. (though personally i want to see the mature birds before i choose which ones to breed.)