Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Some place I have a picture of a Pom that was taken at a show in the mid west by Neal Grassback I thought this goose was the best I ever saw. The color on your Poms are the shade my grand father had in the 1950s. I think if you show pictures of your breeders to Walt he can help you get the eye that you need to improve them from. Where did you get your start from originally?

You have to remember my friend sold his good poms to someone and I am sure they are still out there and they where standard size when he gave them up.

Fred I like your attitude about big er Rocks. I really think if you have a flock of White Rocks and or even Rhode Island Reds and they have true to life correct type and are about a pound to a half a pound over weight you will win 50% of the shows you go to. However, if the same judges judge the classes that like bigger birds you will most likely loose to the bigger birds. Its just a fact of life in showing. In R I Red bantams you could have a pullet that is flat as can be on her back, have true brick standard shape and great color and she will loose to a Red Bantam female that has a back like a New Hampshire or a Partridge Plymouth Rock. You ask your self when you hold the picture of the standard of perfection and ask the judge why he picked that female with the lift in her back. He most of the time will say she had such great color. Then when you ask but look at her type she looks like a Rock, he will say she just has great color. If you figure the faults for type this kind of Red Bantam would only score about 92 points. Then you will see these birds on Champion Row for Champion Single Comb Clean Leg ed over great Rock or Jap bantams and they are nothing but a out right cull. You can see sometimes why I dont like to show. It is heart breaking to loose to such culls but it happens all over the country today.

For you who have been following my incubator problems. I put a $8. child's Thermometer on top of my eggs yesterday and two times the temp stoped at 100 degrees. I think I will leave it alone and see how the next three hatches turn out.

I just wished I could find a thermometer I could trust. My meat Thermometer I trust but I can only leave it in the incubator for about 5 minutes then it turns it self off. I guess maybe if I had a remote meat thermometer I could see the levels inside and recorded onto the box outside on a shelf. Need one anyway for my big green egg. Cooking season is around the corner and will be cooking a big hunk of pig in there. Yesterday my wife and I went to Mobile Alabama to the National Barbecue Convention. About 500 Barbecue experts and owners of Barique joints where there. We got to sample food from 20 different vender's. It was a great experience and learned allot from these guys on how to cook in our barbecue pits. Got to go out and feed the snow birds they will be leaving soon to return to Ohio and other mid west states. Must have 200 of them on the ground eating me out of house and home.
 
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Some place I have a picture of a Pom that was taken at a show in the mid west by Neal Grassback I thought this goose was the best I ever saw. The color on your Poms are the shade my grand father had in the 1950s. I think if you show pictures of your breeders to Walt he can help you get the eye that you need to improve them from. Where did you get your start from originally?

You have to remember my friend sold his good poms to someone and I am sure they are still out there and they where standard size when he gave them up.

Fred I like your attitude about big er Rocks. I really think if you have a flock of White Rocks and or even Rhode Island Reds and they have true to life correct type and are about a pound to a half a pound over weight you will win 50% of the shows you go to. However, if the same judges judge the classes that like bigger birds you will most likely loose to the bigger birds. Its just a fact of life in showing. In R I Red bantams you could have a pullet that is flat as can be on her back, have true brick standard shape and great color and she will loose to a Red Bantam female that has a back like a New Hampshire or a Partridge Plymouth Rock. You ask your self when you hold the picture of the standard of perfection and ask the judge why he picked that female with the lift in her back. He most of the time will say she had such great color. Then when you ask but look at her type she looks like a Rock, he will say she just has great color. If you figure the faults for type this kind of Red Bantam would only score about 92 points. Then you will see these birds on Champion Row for Champion Single Comb Clean Leg ed over great Rock or Jap bantams and they are nothing but a out right cull. You can see sometimes why I dont like to show. It is heart breaking to loose to such culls but it happens all over the country today.

For you who have been following my incubator problems. I put a $8. child's Thermometer on top of my eggs yesterday and two times the temp stoped at 100 degrees. I think I will leave it alone and see how the next three hatches turn out.

I just wished I could find a thermometer I could trust. My meat Thermometer I trust but I can only leave it in the incubator for about 5 minutes then it turns it self off. I guess maybe if I had a remote meat thermometer I could see the levels inside and recorded onto the box outside on a shelf. Need one anyway for my big green egg. Cooking season is around the corner and will be cooking a big hunk of pig in there. Yesterday my wife and I went to Mobile Alabama to the National Barbecue Convention. About 500 Barbecue experts and owners of Barique joints where there. We got to sample food from 20 different vender's. It was a great experience and learned allot from these guys on how to cook in our barbecue pits. Got to go out and feed the snow birds they will be leaving soon to return to Ohio and other mid west states. Must have 200 of them on the ground eating me out of house and home.

I got my original pair from a hobby breeder in Sandy Hook, Mississippi. I just wanted a pair of geese and saw an advertisement on Craigslist for breeding pairs and had no idea what I was getting for my $80. When we got home with them, I looked up the breed name and figured out I had gotten one heck of a deal! Sadly, he has since dispersed his entire flock. Had I known, I would have purchased a few more pairs from him before they were sold off. I don't know where he got his flock, but he was a younger guy..in his mid-30's so I don't think he'd had them for more than a few years.

Then last breeding season, I purchased hatching eggs from a breeder in North Carolina whose goose has won a couple shows up that way: That is where the one lone gander with the pink came from. Right now my flock consists of my original pair, 6 of their offspring and 6 from the purchased eggs.
I got really lucky because I got 4 males and 2 females from my pair and 4 females and 2 males from the ones I purchased. So, I was able to pair them up and put two of my over-marked males over the under-marked females to see what I get gosling-wise. I put the guy with the pink over my best goose and have two fertile eggs from them in the incubator.

I have eggs ordered from two breeders whose birds have great markings, good single lobes, and the right size. Plus, six goslings ordered from a third source as well. After these purchases, I will be down to a very small handful of breeders where I can get additional bloodlines in the future, but should have some good breeders to work with sooner or later.

I don't want to bother Walt unless I have to: He is a busy guy who is already very gracious with his time and knowledge. I am really grateful that he takes time to come on here and help all the novices. However, if I have questions, I figure it doesn't hurt to ask them: Somebody will answer eventually.

I joined the newly formed APA club here in SE Louisiana and we are going to try to get a couple of shows together. If so, I may take a couple of my geese just to see what it is like. Despite spending 10 years in 4-H as a youngster, I have never shown anything so have a lot to learn about conditioning the birds, and showing in general. Their is a lot to be learned just by reading this thread, CSU, and other like it though!

Oh, and as to the thermometer issue you are having. I got a certified frio-temp verification thermometer. It is guaranteed to be within 1/2 degree of actual temperature through the ranged needed for incubation. Each unit comes with a calibration document signed and dated by the technician that checked it. It has a bottle probe, which is filled with a media that is supposed to mimic fluid, so I thought that would be close to an actual egg interior. They are used by refrigerator and oven repairmen and are pricey: This one is from Amazon and was around $83.00, but worth every penny.
Here is a picture:

Even if you don't use it full time, you can check it against the units you are using and see how far off they are....and if the difference is consistent. If so, you can devise a standard deviation...say the thermostat you use consistently reads 2 degrees low...you write that on it in marker and then can adjust the temperature with that in mind.
Just a suggestion.
 
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Just thought I would post some pics of my "Heritage Fowl" NH chicks hatched 2 days ago. They are from eggs shipped to me from Jeremy Woeppel (Jwhip)...a cross from a German line cock onto American line (Good Shepherd/Reese) hens. They are HUGE chicks and very vigorous...they immediately started to eat and drink on their own straight away in the brooder. I have also noticed how calm they are for chicks. I am very pleased thus far. I have 17 total. Very excited to see how this cross develops.







 
Just thought I would post some pics of my "Heritage Fowl" NH chicks hatched 2 days ago. They are from eggs shipped to me from Jeremy Woeppel (Jwhip)...a cross from a German line cock onto American line (Good Shepherd/Reese) hens. They are HUGE chicks and very vigorous...they immediately started to eat and drink on their own straight away in the brooder. I have also noticed how calm they are for chicks. I am very pleased thus far. I have 17 total. Very excited to see how this cross develops.







Cute litte chunk ! ALMOST as cute as an Orp !
 
Keep in mind folks that the south is usually not the place to find great waterfowl. Not saying they don't have them, because they do, but the west, midwest and northeast are usually the places to find the best waterfowl in larger numbers.

Holderread Waterfowl in Corvallis Or is an excellent place to buy quality waterfowl from young to adult.

Walt
 
Thank you DL and W.!!
DL--- I am more than happy to add some of your 'sunshine' Orps along with these!!
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Just thought I would post some pics of my "Heritage Fowl" NH chicks hatched 2 days ago. They are from eggs shipped to me from Jeremy Woeppel (Jwhip)...a cross from a German line cock onto American line (Good Shepherd/Reese) hens. They are HUGE chicks and very vigorous...they immediately started to eat and drink on their own straight away in the brooder. I have also noticed how calm they are for chicks. I am very pleased thus far. I have 17 total. Very excited to see how this cross develops.








Cool! I have 18 of those too I think they are as vigorous as little game type or bantam types I've hatched before and I just love watching them and their Mommas they act just like little chickens, LOL

Jeff
 
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