Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[NYREDS]

I do not even believe in the meaning of the term "LOCK DOWN". I incubate with no water, and frequently open the bator to remove the eggs shells from early hatches. It does not matter. They hatch out just fine. I stuff my foamy incubators with up to 85 eggs and use a beer can to prop up one end of the bator one day then level it off and prop up the other end the next day.
"LOCK DOWN" to me is more of a term used on campuses to protect our youts from being blown away by gun toting idiots who go to schools who mean to harm our kids.

Once, just for fun, I put 18 Guinea Fowl eggs in the incubator. Ididn't put any water in the humidity pan & never touched or checked the eggs 'till day 28 when I removed 15 healthy keets from the incubator [I don't have a bator]. After that I decided I could be a little less attentive to detail when incubating.

 

[Robert Blosl]

Just got caught up reading and yes some of the words that are used can get under some folks skin. The word that I used to start this thread was a catch all word to try to lure you to this thread. It must have worked but I don't like the word much. Standard Breed and Standard Fowl kind of are words old guys used when I was a kid. Standard meant large fowl and bantams where the other name. Back then very few bantams where ever on champion row always the big chickens. Today its reversed as there are less large chickens at shows than bantams and when a big chicken wins Reserve Champion of a show like Orange Chicken did a few weekends ago I about did a back flip. Never of heard of this before with a Orange Chicken .Ask Fred what that means as I cant spell it.

Using the word Cock bird or Hen was popular back then in the 60s . Many of the old men use to preach to breed from Hens and Cock birds and look at them and the black and white Standard. Today it seems the new younger guys look at the standard and want their young birds cockerels and pullets to look like that picture. When you breed from birds like that year in and year out and you look at their old birds they don't look like the standard. Some say they don't have the patients for a young bird to fill out and get his tail right like the picture. I say do what you want I will do what the old men taught me in the 1960s.

Lock down is when my wife puts a screw driver in my bed room door and nocks it in with a hammer so I can get out.

Here are some words that I had to stop using on this site or get kicked off, scrubs mutts culls ect. I even hate to type hatchery in my sentences may get kicked off. But I do like Mr. Fox at Ideal Hatchery he does a good job from what I can see and I send many people his way when they want to make money with eggs ect. Hes got some good layers you can make a few bucks with.

The term Rhode Island Red should be just that but 99 % of the people in the USA don't get what I got when they order this kind of bird . They get the other kind and wonder why I tell them they are not R I Reds.

As Mr. Arthur Manley in California a large fowl Cochin Guy use to say. NUF SAID.

I am going into my shop LOCK DOWN the door and make me a couple of Alabama Crimson Tide pens.

You keep up the good discussions and lets help more folks get some of these nice large chickens.

 

[NYREDS]

I can understand how y'all must get frustrated - being passionate enough about poultry to become judges and have so many people misuse terms and such. To this day I could still slap the ignorant person that said to me in a very dramatic voice "Wowwwwww. You work in the ICU? You must see a lot of dead people." It's hard to be patient after a while with people being ignorant and sharing misinformation about something that you care about.

All I can say is that I hope y'all remind yourselves that most people on BYC don't know much more about chickens other than they can buy them at the feed store. BYC has some good search engine optimization, so when people type "chickens" into a search engine, BYC usually comes up first - not websites that only have reliable, verifiable information on them.

If it weren't for knowledgeable people like yourselves and others, many of us newer people wouldn't get a chance to learn right from wrong in the poultry world. I researched chickens, heritage chickens in particular, for years before actually getting chickens as an adult - most people won't do that much work. Shoot, I'm still learning every day about chickens. There's a lot to learn, especially if you want to breed standard-bred birds. Most people don't even know there is a difference between the chickens they bought at the feed store and standard-bred chickens, heritage chickens, and all the correct terms used by SOP poultry fanciers.

Recently I had someone contact me wanting to buy heritage chickens. It was obvious that they did not understand the correct usage of the term by what they told me they were looking for in chickens. It was a great opportunity to teach them more, and in the end, they decided they wanted "production" chickens as well as a small flock of true standard-bred heritage chickens. Just have to remember to take a soft approach so as not to alienate people and make them unreceptive to learning the true meanings of these terms.

I think it's hard to get the correct definitions of terms out there to the public, when the terms are used inappropriately as marketing tools to sell something. The term "heritage" is kinda like the term "organic" - everyone uses it to make a buck and most people aren't going to do the research for themselves to understand the actual definition of the term. But that's ok. Not everyone is going to have goals that require proper use of terms or obtaining/breeding standard-bred birds. For most people, the birds and information (or misinformation) they get at the feed store fits just fine into what they want to accomplish with chickens.

I hope y'all can just grit your teeth and let it slide when you get too frustrated to feel like you can educate people that are ignorant of the true meaning of this stuff. Don't get so frustrated that you disappear completely and take your knowledge with you - without people willing to educate, all would be lost.

I've always felt that if you're going to get involved in any endeavor learn to speak the language.

 

[thedragonlady]

I think of a kangaroo when I see roo posted too. People seem to have a problem using words like cock and ***** when refering to chickens or dogs...it's just one of those words that some folks are not comfortable using. In my circle cock, cockerel, hen and pullet are used often as ***** is used often in my wife's world of dogs. It will be interesting to see if ***** makes it through the naughty words filter here on BYC.

Rooster is a very acceptable term with the people I know...it just does not give you a sense of age.


ahahahaha the female dog term is forbidden here..........LOL

Walt

Obviously no dog people amongst the moderators !

 

[Fred's Hens]

Obviously no dog people amongst the moderators !

Wrong.

 

[thedragonlady]

Wrong.

Bet you didn't zap Walt's post though !

 

[Fred's Hens]

BYC has a commitment to be family friendly. This partly entails the employment of software that filters words. The specificity of those words is, in the end, up to the owner of this site. His sandbox.

While the word cock is not filtered, because this is a chicken site, the word ***** is filtered because this is not a dog site.

As a beagler/trial runner, hunter, bench shower and breeder before most of the folks on this forum were born I do not enjoy that this perfectly appropriate word for a female canine is filtered, but I live with it. On a rabbit hound site, such filtration would be absurd, of course.

I've occasionally Googled for answers to problems or to find solutions and have landed on other sites that employ no filters and are rarely, if at all, moderated. I'm far too old and have served in too many places in life to be a prude, yet I say this with all honestly. I don't care for rough language and do not find it a display of great mental acumen. Thus bad language filters keep this place somewhat tidy. I've no issue with it.

We are old, well at least I am. I'm perfecting my curmudgeon status. I agree with Bill, Walt et al. The old words are precise, descriptive and colorful. But alas, we live in a Twitter/text world now. It is what it is.

 

[3riverschick]

Rooster is a very acceptable term with the people I know...it just does not give you a sense of age.
Walt
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Ok, then, ...if I write "rooster" and state the age, then it's copacetic.
Best,
Karen

 

[BGMatt]

Is there a minimum age for the curmudgeon club? I've thought about poultry like you "curmudgeons" for many years now but I'm 32 (started in chickens around my 13th birthday) and not sure if that disqualifies me from the chicken curmudgeon club? I find it sad that the old ways and standards are getting lost. Maybe it's just the who taught me and how I was taught though.

 

[NYREDS]

Is there a minimum age for the curmudgeon club? I've thought about poultry like you "curmudgeons" for many years now but I'm 32 (started in chickens around my 13th birthday) and not sure if that disqualifies me from the chicken curmudgeon club? I find it sad that the old ways and standards are getting lost. Maybe it's just the who taught me and how I was taught though.

32's fine-welcome aboard