The standard Wyandotte has many approved varieties that badly need help and people willing to take them on. I am working on a few of the old varieties but we need many more people to do this. This breed is my passion, I just adore them. I have one person I am working with on one variety but we have a ways to go because there are so many issues and no quality stock is around. But I am working on one issue at a time and taking baby steps getting them bred toward the SOP.
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Dave Anderson here in CA is working on buff Wyandotte LF and they are very good! There are pictures of them in the APA yearbook. Dave is also running for APA prez so give him a vote next year.
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I really love the buffs and tried to get a start from Urch but it never panned out. I hadn't noticed Mr. Anderson's birds in the yearbook, I am halfway through reading it. I remember you posted a picture of a buff cockerel on here awhile back from a show.
Which varieties are you working on?Have you got it any pics?
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When we were talking about hatching a hundred birds from a mating to get a couple of good ones, they technically wouldn't have to be hatched all in the same year right?
I'll explain what I am thinking "ROOKIE BOB" said it was a easy as a great male and a couple of hens single mated. Ok, so you hatch 30 chicks. Pick the best male and female from each female, to keep, but only use the exact same mating the second year. So the thirty chicks you hatch the second year, are siblings to the ones hatched the first year. So now I have hatched 60 chicks off that mating. Even though they are from a different year they are the same generation right?
After a few years of that pick the best male from one female and the best two females from the other, and mate half sibs. If a little guy used the same mating for maybe 3 years it would take a lot longer for the genetics to get too close, I mean, I would think, I don't really know though. what do you think?
I'll explain what I am thinking "ROOKIE BOB" said it was a easy as a great male and a couple of hens single mated. Ok, so you hatch 30 chicks. Pick the best male and female from each female, to keep, but only use the exact same mating the second year. So the thirty chicks you hatch the second year, are siblings to the ones hatched the first year. So now I have hatched 60 chicks off that mating. Even though they are from a different year they are the same generation right?
After a few years of that pick the best male from one female and the best two females from the other, and mate half sibs. If a little guy used the same mating for maybe 3 years it would take a lot longer for the genetics to get too close, I mean, I would think, I don't really know though. what do you think?
You could do that but it's slowing down progress most likely. The genetics getting "too close" is simple to avoid and there's literally hundreds of different line breeding methods, charts and plans that will let you do that. The reason so many hatch in greater numbers is it does simply allow for more improvement in a faster amount of time if you're lucky/know what you're doing. That's not to say that you can't make progress in smaller numbers, it's just harder.
In your scenario here you'd be better off to breed your pair, then breed the cock bird to his best pullet (repeat for three years) and the best son to his dam (repeat for three years), essentially creating two lines, then take the best female descended from your original cock and put it with the best male descended from your original hen, and start it over again.
Although if you do get good results from your starting pair, and you repeat that breeding the second year it allows you to breed from cocks and hens rather than cockerels which a lot of the old timers swear by, and I do find that breeding from older birds means bigger eggs, which means bigger chicks, and I always have higher fertility and hatchability doing that, regardless of breed.
Again, the smaller breeding programs, especially the ones featuring reusing original pairs (although that's really the best way to avoid the negative aspects of line breeding without having multiple pens and clans going at once) really benefit from having a really good starting pair. Something that is hard to do in some breeds, like what YHF did with Dorkings I don't think would be anywhere near the point he is at now with small matings and low hatch numbers, it would get there eventually, but not in the same amount of time. But with less neglected breeds is totally possible and feasible (and in some cases better)
Whats up with the post(s) are they constricted to a certain word amount now.......
the last 2 post are ending as continuance/not complete
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You could do that but it's slowing down progress most likely. The genetics getting "too close" is simple to avoid and there's literally hundreds of different line breeding methods, charts and...
When we were talking about hatching a hundred birds from a mating to get a couple of good ones, they technically wouldn't have to be hatched all in the same year right? I'll explain what I am...
Is what I'm seeing on here WTH?
the last 2 post are ending as continuance/not complete
?
You could do that but it's slowing down progress most likely. The genetics getting "too close" is simple to avoid and there's literally hundreds of different line breeding methods, charts and...
When we were talking about hatching a hundred birds from a mating to get a couple of good ones, they technically wouldn't have to be hatched all in the same year right? I'll explain what I am...
Is what I'm seeing on here WTH?
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Jeff I'm seeing the same truncated text, and its not just this thread.
Yeah I just saw it on the La. thread too.
Sumpthins' went haywire evidently
Jeff
I switched to chrome an its all good firefox is on the blink I reckon
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If you have to hatch a 100 chicks to get a few good ones you have a weak gene pool.
What I have learned from about four super star breeders is their gene pool is strong that they only have to have two or three superior females hatch ten to 15 chicks per female and the spread of chicks will be equal or maybe a couple a little bit better.
Many hatch a lot of chicks to get a few good ones but that is when you have strain that is vey weak or is in the rebuilding stage.
Beginners if you have a good trio or two pair you don't have to hatch that many. That's no fun and cost to much money.
I will try to hatch some over a three month period of different ages. Cull hard and then hopefully have ten good birds to choose from when breeding season comes around.
In regards to a list I could not locate one on that site. There are many breeds that need help but what do you want to have. That's the key.
What I have learned from about four super star breeders is their gene pool is strong that they only have to have two or three superior females hatch ten to 15 chicks per female and the spread of chicks will be equal or maybe a couple a little bit better.
Many hatch a lot of chicks to get a few good ones but that is when you have strain that is vey weak or is in the rebuilding stage.
Beginners if you have a good trio or two pair you don't have to hatch that many. That's no fun and cost to much money.
I will try to hatch some over a three month period of different ages. Cull hard and then hopefully have ten good birds to choose from when breeding season comes around.
In regards to a list I could not locate one on that site. There are many breeds that need help but what do you want to have. That's the key.
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