Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

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Saw your website:

Since when was the APA made the arbiter of heritage breeds???????????? That my friends is a total crock!

The APA has no policy on Heritage chickens. I don't know where that came from. The APA does have a committee that is studying our possible role in Heritage poultry, but as of two weeks ago there has been little progress.

Walt Leonard
Dist 8 Director APA.

 

[Chickielady]

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chickie,

The Cubalaya originated in Cuba (with some slight help from Florida). Though not in the American class (they are in the AOSB); Cuba being part of North America that would technically make them an American Heritage breed.

LOL! I wondered about that...but someone told me they were rare and from deep in the jungles of Brazil or someplace !
They are gorgeous birds ?
How is the temperment/eggs/health ?

 

[Chris09]

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Saw your website:

Since when was the APA made the arbiter of heritage breeds???????????? That my friends is a total crock!

APA has nothing to do with it, that is from ALBC http://www.albc-usa.org/heritagechicken/definition.html . For some reason ALBC thinks they hold the right to call what is "Heritage" and what is not.

To me the American Gamefowl is just as much if not more, "Heritage" to the U.S. than any other, "Heritage" breed but it didn't make ALBC's list because the breed isn't a APA standard breed.
There need to be a organization that promotes the American Heritage breeds, breeds that were apart of Americas History.

Chris

 

[OSUman]

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Cuba is considered part of North America the last time I studied geography: hence the "American."


There are more Americans than just United States Citizens!

Your limitation of "American" to birds only from the US is quite offensive to the other folks that share this wonderful landmass known as North America: like folks from Mexico and Canada: who are not only Mexicans and Canadians but also Americans in every sense of the word.

Wouldnt that also include the people from South America?

 

[Chickielady]

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It is hard to decide where to draw that invisable line on what is and what is not truly an American breed.
My ideas were that the breed originated here, breed by our forefathers, the pioneers that settled this country, not imported from another country.
But it is difficult to say what came west on a covered wagon and what was imported by airline in the 20s.
Then there are some "American Heritage" breeds that are a mix of other breeds that were not from here...like the RIW for example, this American Heritage breed is of White rosecomb leghorns, white wyandottes, and of all things an asiatic : Partridge Cochin.
So...like I said where do you draw the line ?

 

[Chris09]

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Cuba is considered part of North America the last time I studied geography: hence the "American."


There are more Americans than just United States Citizens!

Your limitation of "American" to birds only from the US is quite offensive to the other folks that share this wonderful landmass known as North America: like folks from Mexico and Canada: who are not only Mexicans and Canadians but also Americans in every sense of the word.

Wouldnt that also include the people from South America?

Technically it would include Canada also...

Chris

 

[Chickielady]

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I thought the Sussex were heritage English, or say Northern European birds.
The place where they originated from , not when they were imported here to the USof A.
Yes other countries very much have their heritage breeds. None were native to this patch of land we call the US of A. American Heritage birds were bred and developed here, this is their birthplace, and we can claim them as our own.
Other countries have worked very hard on and are very proud of, their own heritage breeds.
They are indeed heritage to those countries.
That would include South America, Canada, Cuba, Ireland, Scotland, Asia, Japan.
When I refer to American Heritage, my idea is a breed that was ONLY developed (Born) here, and no where else.
A bird that existed no where before it was bred here is an American Heritage breed.

You know, having raised koi for so many years I got to know alot of Japanese breeders, and applying what I know about the Japanese people to this kind of situation, I would be willing to bet that they would be very upset if we dare claim their Ancient Heritage breeds as 'ours',
they have worked for thousands of years on their birds, fish, dogs and other animals and plants.
They are ferociously proud of this fact, and rightly so.
It would make me feel very small compared to the great amount of wisdom and generations of time they have put into these heritage breeds that are truly theirs.
Their breeds and their standards are truly their own and not ours at all.
The best we can ever do is to try to carry on the standards they have lived by for thousands of years, as we all kow too well how fast a breed of any animals can be destoyed in such a short time, and usually all due to the almighty dollar.

 

[heritagehabitatfarms]

is there anyone out there with heritage white giants??? or just white giants that are not from a hatchury??? i would really like to find some... if nothing els im going to get some from mcmurry and then try to cross them with a good quaility black and try to get some whites that are up to standerd...

 

[fowlman01]

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Saw your website:

Since when was the APA made the arbiter of heritage breeds???????????? That my friends is a total crock!

APA has nothing to do with it, that is from ALBC http://www.albc-usa.org/heritagechicken/definition.html . For some reason ALBC thinks they hold the right to call what is "Heritage" and what is not.

To me the American Gamefowl is just as much if not more, "Heritage" to the U.S. than any other, "Heritage" breed but it didn't make ALBC's list because the breed isn't a APA standard breed.
There need to be a organization that promotes the American Heritage breeds, breeds that were apart of Americas History.

Chris

Thanks Chris, this is how misinformation gets started. The APA will have a position on heritage poultry at some point, but I have no idea when or what. I'm not on that committee. The APA Standards Committee has been approached to start the recognition process of American Game large fowl, but there is nothing formal yet. The APA has recognized several varieties of the American Game bantam fowl just recently. They are included in the 2010 SOP.

Walt

 

[Chickielady]

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Wouldnt that also include the people from South America?

Technically it would include Canada also...

Chris

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with humans , nor if they are citizens or not.
This issue concerns ancient peoples in their ancient countries that lived for generations upon generations developing a breed that is truly their own.
Ancient peoples in Mexico and ancient peoples in Canada did indeed have their own breeds that are truly their own.
Wether these people have immigrated to another country is of no issue, we are talking about birds here.