Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[rodriguezpoultry]

I disagree with the use of "pure bred".

Anyone can claim an animal is pure-bred. Hatcheries do it all the time as do people on Craigslist.

 

[punky rooster]

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hmm that's a good point then would you prefer standard bred?

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Standard-bred implies that the birds are bred towards the Standard of Perfection, when all a person may really be doing is breeding towards their own personal standard that their ancestors had years before.

It also implies (although not to a large extent) that the birds will have a very good chance in a show hall.

ETA: There's also the chance that the term "standard-bred" would confuse those that see the word "standard" and immediately think "largefowl" birds.

 

[punky rooster]

OMG this is tough well I think standard bred is a good thing to keep in mind when figuring heritage a few pages ago some one said those are some heritage favorals when they said that because it was close to the standard
some thing to think about........
punky
ETA: they have a bantam standards too

 

[punky rooster]

oh I misunderstood your post

 

[halo]

I see nothing wrong with the term Heritage. It means to me a breed that has been bred down for generations, which is basically what we are talking about.

 

[Robert Blosl]

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What breeds and how many birds of each breed do you have that you are curious about?

Bob has some great breeding info here in his article
Becoming a breeder
http://bloslspoutlryfarm.tripod.com/id27.html

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

Thanks Charlie for bringing up Gary Underwoods article he wrote for the Rhode Island Red Chronicle when I was President.Gary is my mentor on Rhode Island Reds. He would have matings of three to two females per matting and then take the best males and mate back to the two or three hens. He could fix traits faster than any one I ever saw.
I like to use the Old English Game Bantam method Pairs and trios. In Call Ducks you use pairs and you pick the best type birds and mate them the way you want for improvement.

I was looking today at a Gray Call hen and she has the body that I want but does not have the head that I want. Then next door in a pen I have a female that I call Daphne for Daphne Mays who had some of the best gray females I ever saw. How do I get the neck from Daphne on this other hen. This is the magic of breeding. I did this with Rhode Island Reds about 15 years ago. I had a male with the most perfect head I ever saw but had a short body or back. Then in a pen next door I saw a male with a killer brick shape Red body with a poor looking head and said to myself how can I get the head from the pen one male on to the pen three male. Then sitting in front of me was a female that was scratching in the dirt who had a great brick shape body good head and good color. So I mated her to the pen one male for 35 days and the pen three male for 35 days and got a male from one pen that I really liked then I mated him to the hen the next year and then I hit the jackpot. I got a male named #68 the best male I ever raised with great brick shape and a perfect head. Maybe I can use the same methods on my female call ducks as I did on my Reds years agobut in reverse.

These are methods learned from Gary Underwood that he learned from his father George Underwood and shared to me over twnety years ago.

Charlie how are you going to breed those killer light brahmas this year?

Standards written in the Rhode Island Red Chroncle years ago ment standard fowl vs bantams. The author Maurice Wallace always used this in his writtings.

Standard Breed in my book means breed to the book. Anyone who breeds to his likeing is not going to have a strain uniform to true type. When your birds are in front of a good judge like Walt you will pay the price. When you build a house or a barn you got to follow the blue print. If you do not follow the blue print your finished product will be off and you will have to ajust yourself to get the finished product correct. This works ok in tree houses as kids but in the contruction world it does not work. Same thing in Breeding live stock. If you want to maintain a strain to a certain trait or look got to try to follow the blue print.

However, you have the choice not to follow it and thats all right to. Just enjoy your birds as you see fit. I just like trying to improve the birds better than I found them.
I am sure glad I got this old book.

Hope you all have a great night. I am going to sit back and watch my New Orleans Saints play those dirty birds from Alanta, Georgia. bob

 

[cherylcohen]

Here is my new "baby", he's only 5 months old, Mr. Ziegfiled (ziggy for short) His new girlfriends are Fanny and Sadie - all are gorgeous silver Penciled Plymouth Rocks...the beginning of my breeding program. I think they'll make beautiful babies together!

I think he has great potential, Wynette picked him out for me!!!

 

[heritagehabitatfarms]

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[CharlieVoda]

Nice cockerel the hens look nice too from a previous post.
here is a great link for you in google books it is the 1921 Plymouyh Rock standard and breed book
See section V it is page 243 and is about Silver Penciled Rocks.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vL...&resnum=8&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

You can also find lots of info in google books with a search for Dark Brahma and Silver Penciled Wyandotte. The patterns are all the same. I have Large Fowl Dark Brahma and it is a very challenging color pattern to work with. I think I found some nice Silver Penciled and Columbian Wyandottes and may pick up some of the Penciled.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie