Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Robert Blosl]

Boy you can see he does not have a good rose comb. What do you think he would score New York Reds for type? 89or90.

I will go to my friends house and take some pictures of his white birds with rose combs. They had more lift in the tail like a Wyandotte. but what he did is cross my white rock male that is five years old now onto these rose comb females. Funny Thing all the females are rose combs and the males single combs which he sold to locals. When I first saw here I scored her in my head as a 92 point bird and all the pictures I have seen of Rhode Island Whites even going back to the 1930s she was the best I ever saw. You see the Rhode Island White Club was riding the coat tails of the Rhode Island Red Club and had a few pages in the old Rhode Island Red Journal which was not published by the Red Club but Waverly Publishing Company in Waverly Iowa. At the time of the to big hay day of these whites there where over 40,000 issues mailed out family's and farms back then. The reason I know I use to own all of them that I got from old Red Breeders and also, the daughter of the editor who gave me what her dad gave her.

It would be a long range project as I was going to do it and got some good White Wyandottes but after having them I changed my mine.

Has any one ever thought of trying to help out a very rare and endangered breed of Heritage Poultry. The White Wyandotte large fowl.??

The need help bad. I wish you would consider it and for you who live in the north and dont want to worry about froze combs they would be a great breed for you and they need our help. bob

 

[ericsplls]

I have never had a problem with Ideals customer service but wouldn't reccomend any hatchery birds for someone who was looking for type. All of their large breed fowl with exception of cornish or orientals are basically the same breed with exception of color. Their RIR are so far off on type and color that I wouldn't even try their whites. Unless I just wanted a white chicken that leyed brown eggs. That's about all they can give you. I'm still new to color genetics but have been told that some white rocks are dominant white and others are recessive. Wouldn't it be easier to find a dominant white rock and cross over a rose combed RIR. There are plenty out there and I've seen pictures of some good ones. So for those that know more than me what color would you get by crossing a dominant white rock over a RIR?

 

[catdaddyfro]

I have never had a problem with Ideals customer service but wouldn't reccomend any hatchery birds for someone who was looking for type. All of their large breed fowl with exception of cornish or orientals are basically the same breed with exception of color. Their RIR are so far off on type and color that I wouldn't even try their whites. Unless I just wanted a white chicken that leyed brown eggs. That's about all they can give you. I'm still new to color genetics but have been told that some white rocks are dominant white and others are recessive. Wouldn't it be easier to find a dominant white rock and cross over a rose combed RIR. There are plenty out there and I've seen pictures of some good ones. So for those that know more than me what color would you get by crossing a dominant white rock over a RIR?

Pyle patterned birds- they'd look like the sex-link type(wing-feather sexing hybrid) called Amber-links- A white body with red bleeding through the pyle areas

 

[Robert Blosl]

RI Whites

have culled all my RIW, they were so mean even the hens were jumping & spurring everyone !
The Cock was inferior type, and I got White Rocks to straighten out his type but he was so mean I could not deal with them any longer.
At cull I butchered the 3 hens, 1 had eggs & decent ova, 1 had NONE, and one laid a soft shelled egg once or twice a week.
Between nasty mean, inferior type and bad bad bad egg laying...there was little to work with.
I kept the White Rock and sold the best hen to Jim V. out here.
The WR were from Dreck T (SD) and were of your stock.
Anyways, no more RIW for me.
Oh by the way, these RIW that I had were XXXXXX birds.
Had to use a shovel & repeatedly defend myself from the Cock...smacking him once did nothing, he'd get up & attack over & over & over.
Never seen such a mean bird, he would chase us to get at us !
Anyways, they are long gone.

Former Rhode Island White Person


I got a private message from a member of this board who I tried my darnest to help last year. I have posted there post and took out any names so no one will be offended. I dont think all of thes Whites will be mean but the ones that where half Murry McMurry White Wyanottoes and my white rock standard Male where docile and excellent chickens. It still could be done. That would be the way to go.
Ever once in a while I will get a flat backed white rock large fowl and these would be the ones to cross onto some low back white wyandottes to make this breed and improve it. In ten years I think we could do this in a project. For no nother reason to say we did it.
I have never seen a RI White in the Poutlry Press since 1944 on champion row or anyone advertising they sell them in a breed section.


Charlie so nice to here from you and thanks for posting your R I White. If the folks could see your Brahmas they would go nuts. They are so colorfull.

Charlie do you still have your Heritage Poultry Web site. I lost the address after our computer was hit by lighting. you can send it to me by personel message if you want. bob

 

[CharlieVoda]

I actually had a RC RIW cock bird like that about 18 years ago. Meanest bird I ever had didn't last long. I could have whacked him all day long and he would have just kept coming back for more. These birds are almost as docile as the Brahma's.

I would not use hatchery birds. Anybodies guess what genetics are floating around inside them. As far as I know Urch/Turnland and maybe Sandhill are the only source for stock.

The pictures are from early August of 2011 and the birds were just coming off of a long breeding season and a recent move. They were all 3-4 years old, fertile and good producers. Will get some better and more recent pics when time permits to busy right now. The cock birds are 5 years old this year. We will probably get out about 100 this year. We are breeding 2 cock birds on 4 hens.

Ever heard this line before? "Start where you are with what you have" I will be working with Duane's line. Duane has had this line since the mid 1960's. Genetically these are the real deal. I believe that is kind of what this thread is about. I would like to keep the genetics alive. I have a buddy that is also going to raise these. With the buddy system we should be able to breed in and out with each other longer than we will ever live. I have a twofold dream. 1 live to be 110 I'm 60 now and 2 Standard bred large fowl RC RIW. Dark Brahma, Silver Penciled and Partridge Wyandotte. The way I see it time should not be a problem.

I see a lot of people getting good stock and being in a hurry they think by combining several good bloodlines they will have instant super birds. That is like playing the lottery. Even though they know the odds they still play and then can't believe they didn't win. I'd rather buy feed and watch the birds grow. But hey that's just me.

Duane is getting up in years and I hope there are breeders that will choose some of his breeds to work with. He has had many of these lines since the late 1950's, 60's and 70's. It will be a shame if they disappear some day. I wonder what ever happened to all of Tommy Stanley's lines of birds. I bet most are long gone. I know 2 breeders that have pure lines of his in RC Light Brown and RC White leghorns. Now that Cecil Moore is gone will any one get any of his famous White or Black Orps or his Delaware bantams before they are gone? Hope the Mowhawk line is around in 100 years. We all come and we all go. Nough said.

These are the circumstances from the past that have instigated this very thread and the need for the term Heritage breed. Standard breed poultry presently is what we need to be worried about and the preservation of their genetics in the future. You all know the drill here. Please pick a RARE breed and work with it. The past, present and future of standard breed poultry is in our hands today.

Hello Bob will email you. I been real busy so things have been good and bad all in one.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[colby318]

I have LF white wyandottes coming from Urch this spring. My black LF will always be my favorites.

Boy you can see he does not have a good rose comb. What do you think he would score New York Reds for type? 89or90.

I will go to my friends house and take some pictures of his white birds with rose combs. They had more lift in the tail like a Wyandotte. but what he did is cross my white rock male that is five years old now onto these rose comb females. Funny Thing all the females are rose combs and the males single combs which he sold to locals. When I first saw here I scored her in my head as a 92 point bird and all the pictures I have seen of Rhode Island Whites even going back to the 1930s she was the best I ever saw. You see the Rhode Island White Club was riding the coat tails of the Rhode Island Red Club and had a few pages in the old Rhode Island Red Journal which was not published by the Red Club but Waverly Publishing Company in Waverly Iowa. At the time of the to big hay day of these whites there where over 40,000 issues mailed out family's and farms back then. The reason I know I use to own all of them that I got from old Red Breeders and also, the daughter of the editor who gave me what her dad gave her.

It would be a long range project as I was going to do it and got some good White Wyandottes but after having them I changed my mine.

Has any one ever thought of trying to help out a very rare and endangered breed of Heritage Poultry. The White Wyandotte large fowl.??

The need help bad. I wish you would consider it and for you who live in the north and dont want to worry about froze combs they would be a great breed for you and they need our help. bob

 

[NYREDS]

Hard to score him w/o being able to handle him but from what I can see I'd say 89-90 would be a very generous score.

Boy you can see he does not have a good rose comb. What do you think he would score New York Reds for type? 89or90.

I will go to my friends house and take some pictures of his white birds with rose combs. They had more lift in the tail like a Wyandotte. but what he did is cross my white rock male that is five years old now onto these rose comb females. Funny Thing all the females are rose combs and the males single combs which he sold to locals. When I first saw here I scored her in my head as a 92 point bird and all the pictures I have seen of Rhode Island Whites even going back to the 1930s she was the best I ever saw. You see the Rhode Island White Club was riding the coat tails of the Rhode Island Red Club and had a few pages in the old Rhode Island Red Journal which was not published by the Red Club but Waverly Publishing Company in Waverly Iowa. At the time of the to big hay day of these whites there where over 40,000 issues mailed out family's and farms back then. The reason I know I use to own all of them that I got from old Red Breeders and also, the daughter of the editor who gave me what her dad gave her.

It would be a long range project as I was going to do it and got some good White Wyandottes but after having them I changed my mine.

Has any one ever thought of trying to help out a very rare and endangered breed of Heritage Poultry. The White Wyandotte large fowl.??

The need help bad. I wish you would consider it and for you who live in the north and dont want to worry about froze combs they would be a great breed for you and they need our help. bob

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

I actually had a RC RIW cock bird like that about 18 years ago. Meanest bird I ever had didn't last long. I could have whacked him all day long and he would have just kept coming back for more. These birds are almost as docile as the Brahma's.

I would not use hatchery birds. Anybodies guess what genetics are floating around inside them. As far as I know Urch/Turnland and maybe Sandhill are the only source for stock.

The pictures are from early August of 2011 and the birds were just coming off of a long breeding season and a recent move. They were all 3-4 years old, fertile and good producers. Will get some better and more recent pics when time permits to busy right now. The cock birds are 5 years old this year. We will probably get out about 100 this year. We are breeding 2 cock birds on 4 hens.

Ever heard this line before? "Start where you are with what you have" I will be working with Duane's line. Duane has had this line since the mid 1960's. Genetically these are the real deal. I believe that is kind of what this thread is about. I would like to keep the genetics alive. I have a buddy that is also going to raise these. With the buddy system we should be able to breed in and out with each other longer than we will ever live. I have a twofold dream. 1 live to be 110 I'm 60 now and 2 Standard bred large fowl RC RIW. Dark Brahma, Silver Penciled and Partridge Wyandotte. The way I see it time should not be a problem.

I see a lot of people getting good stock and being in a hurry they think by combining several good bloodlines they will have instant super birds. That is like playing the lottery. Even though they know the odds they still play and then can't believe they didn't win. I'd rather buy feed and watch the birds grow. But hey that's just me.

Duane is getting up in years and I hope there are breeders that will choose some of his breeds to work with. He has had many of these lines since the late 1950's, 60's and 70's. It will be a shame if they disappear some day. I wonder what ever happened to all of Tommy Stanley's lines of birds. I bet most are long gone. I know 2 breeders that have pure lines of his in RC Light Brown and RC White leghorns. Now that Cecil Moore is gone will any one get any of his famous White or Black Orps or his Delaware bantams before they are gone? Hope the Mowhawk line is around in 100 years. We all come and we all go. Nough said.

These are the circumstances from the past that have instigated this very thread and the need for the term Heritage breed. Standard breed poultry presently is what we need to be worried about and the preservation of their genetics in the future. You all know the drill here. Please pick a RARE breed and work with it. The past, present and future of standard breed poultry is in our hands today.

Hello Bob will email you. I been real busy so things have been good and bad all in one.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

We have some of Cecil Moore's Black Orpingtons. Steve Jones has the last of his Blacks and White Orpingtons. We are also using the Blacks to improve size and type in our Blue Orpingtons. We have one hen left of the orginial birds Cecil sold Superior Farms. The last cock died this winter. But their offspring are looking very nice.

Here is "Samson" a Black Orpington cock hatched by Cecil Moore in about 2006 or 2007. He passed winter 2011/12.



However, Samson left us with this......




Here is one of the Cecil Moore x ??? line White Orpingtons. It was the only White Orpington shown at Crossroads. The owner has stated the hen "dropped" feathers enroute. I spoke with Marie Moore a few weeks ago. She said Cecil was not happy about the current Whites and had been working to improve them, with the help of Steve Jones. About a week before his passing, Cecil had sent the last of his Orpingtons to Steve.




And just for good measure, here are some of our Buff Orpingtons. They are a mixture of the lines of Britt, Bacon, Clevenger, Coulter, Thorton. The Buff Bantam is from Brazelton line.






Here is what Meyer Hatchery is selling as a Buff Orpington, just for a comparrison...




And a rare, one of a kind, Buff ????? that we found. Would cull him, but he was elected president of the Drew County 4H Poultry Club.



Perhaps an APA judge can help us identify the breed. We know its rare, but have never seen red legs on a chicken before. Its about 6'1 and weighs about 150+#. Obviously a cockerel. He acts more like a "banty rooster" but is way to large for a bantam. He was flipping hamburgers and chanting "Save a Chicken - Eat a Cow!"

 

[Robert Blosl]

Wow what nice pictures of Heritage large fowl. bob

 

[Robert Blosl]

I actually had a RC RIW cock bird like that about 18 years ago. Meanest bird I ever had didn't last long. I could have whacked him all day long and he would have just kept coming back for more. These birds are almost as docile as the Brahma's.

I would not use hatchery birds. Anybodies guess what genetics are floating around inside them. As far as I know Urch/Turnland and maybe Sandhill are the only source for stock.

The pictures are from early August of 2011 and the birds were just coming off of a long breeding season and a recent move. They were all 3-4 years old, fertile and good producers. Will get some better and more recent pics when time permits to busy right now. The cock birds are 5 years old this year. We will probably get out about 100 this year. We are breeding 2 cock birds on 4 hens.

Ever heard this line before? "Start where you are with what you have" I will be working with Duane's line. Duane has had this line since the mid 1960's. Genetically these are the real deal. I believe that is kind of what this thread is about. I would like to keep the genetics alive. I have a buddy that is also going to raise these. With the buddy system we should be able to breed in and out with each other longer than we will ever live. I have a twofold dream. 1 live to be 110 I'm 60 now and 2 Standard bred large fowl RC RIW. Dark Brahma, Silver Penciled and Partridge Wyandotte. The way I see it time should not be a problem.

I see a lot of people getting good stock and being in a hurry they think by combining several good bloodlines they will have instant super birds. That is like playing the lottery. Even though they know the odds they still play and then can't believe they didn't win. I'd rather buy feed and watch the birds grow. But hey that's just me.

Duane is getting up in years and I hope there are breeders that will choose some of his breeds to work with. He has had many of these lines since the late 1950's, 60's and 70's. It will be a shame if they disappear some day. I wonder what ever happened to all of Tommy Stanley's lines of birds. I bet most are long gone. I know 2 breeders that have pure lines of his in RC Light Brown and RC White leghorns. Now that Cecil Moore is gone will any one get any of his famous White or Black Orps or his Delaware bantams before they are gone? Hope the Mowhawk line is around in 100 years. We all come and we all go. Nough said.

These are the circumstances from the past that have instigated this very thread and the need for the term Heritage breed. Standard breed poultry presently is what we need to be worried about and the preservation of their genetics in the future. You all know the drill here. Please pick a RARE breed and work with it. The past, present and future of standard breed poultry is in our hands today.

Hello Bob will email you. I been real busy so things have been good and bad all in one.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

I see a lot of people getting good stock and being in a hurry they think by combining several good bloodlines they will have instant super birds. That is like playing the lottery. Even though they know the odds they still play and then can't believe they didn't win. I'd rather buy feed and watch the birds grow. But hey that's just me.

Here is the quote of the year. You get good lines and want to cross them and have super duper birds when in fact what you do is the opposite.

Start where you are with what you have is the name of the book Mr. Ralph Sturgeon wrote in the 1970s don't cross your lines try to preserve your gene pool and then find a partner who will work with you who wont commit the mortal sin of crossing lines. In my Rhode Island Red Mohawk bantams I have three patterns. We can go on for fifty years by just crossing our own birds with each other but they are all the same gene pool that I shrunk down from large fowl. I have now two partners with my old line of white Plymouth rocks. The line is 50 years old. We have two solid breeders with the Mohawk Rhode Islands Red large fowl and three new partners to take on this old line that I use to have. They are 100 years old this month. Started in 1912 by Mrs. Donald Donaldson from Decatur Georgia. Long live the old breeds and the strains will stay pure. Down with crossing strains and then going out of the chicken business as 99 % of the people do.

Thanks Charlie. I hope if you don't learn any thing else from this thread ever again its what Charlie just said. bob