Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[catdaddyfro]

Boy talk about getting to see something different huh/ not many people ever get to see what real RI Whites look like. those are some nice looking birds compared to you know what( so called RIW) from the hatcheries, that say that's what they are?

Anyway Mr. Blosl I'm in the question mode this morning and this is relative to this thread it seems to me.

A bunch of us now have these super nice German New Hampshires now and are working on them here, there and yonder. I'm aware the color is some-what too dark (as per say in the SOP) but all in all they are some great fowl to work with I think. From what I've seen most have good type and now some of us are interested in the neck (ticking) of the female and how to make it more pronounced. Any good suggestions there.

The next thing on the agenda is color I think the males are close to being good, the females are a little dark and multi-shaded, and the neck area is light (some call these "yellow hackles"). I don't now that the light colored neck is not the right color and the dark body plumage just makes it look too light. Any opinions on that area too


And next I've seen in the past you've mentioned that to breed good Dark RIRs to stay away from the Cocks with the black striping in the neck hackles to produce the darkest ones right?
I would guess this is a columbian thing cause the columbian gene is a dilution gene and lightens color, ( my take on this). So where I'm going with this is, if one was interested in lightening these GNH would it be advisable to use striped neck NH males for breeding in hopes to lighten the ground color in the birds and too, how bad would this be to breed back out because striped hackles in the males are a deduction in points for the show birds (which I'm not into) but I sure would love to have the best looking ones in the country myself. LOL

Jeff

 

[NYREDS]

I keep going back to look at him. I had no idea any that nice still existed. How about the width of feather in his tail, Bob? Even his feather quality is good.

I agree with New York Reds the first male made me say a dirty word. I like him. This is not a bad start and if you hatch fourty and cull down to the best square typed birds need more extended keels you got something there. Congradulations on these they also have pretty good combs.

I will try to locate a picture for you and post it for the type.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v11/katz0556/?action=view&current=redsyl.jpg

bob

 

[Stse586]

Thanks for all the comments. I'll try and take some more pictures. The girls are a bit roughed up since I've been breeding them for a while. I think they look better since they filled out a bit.

 

[Robert Blosl]

I found the thread that Matt1616 was telling me about. I dont know about the ticking on the New Hampshire's making them lighter or darker. I dont know the color make up off this br eed. All I can tell you is the picture in the Black and White Standard I have is the one that Ken Bowl es used to make and improve these New Hampshire's. There is a lost s train of New Hampshire's in Kansas at Frank Reeses home. I am going to call him this weekend and ask him about the color of the current New Hampshire's and the ones that he has. I would like to see0 us get some of his bird out into the public this is a old gene pool about thirty to forty years old. He also has Silver Laced Wyandottes and Black Jersey Giants from Mrs. Miller. I will work on this.

Next on the black in the neck feathers of a rhode island red it is to be ticking and not stripes or lacing. A good judge like New York Reds and another judge in Ohio i know will take points off if you show such a bird. a bird with heavy stripes and not ticking is a two to three point cut in my view. Now many folks have this in their line and it can be corrected but it takes time. You just dont get the ax out and cut off all the heads you slowly breed from birds with less stripes and lacing each year. It may take five years but one day you will not see any black or beetle green in your males neck feathers. Your females should have a ticking like that of a small paint brush panting just a little bit on each neck hackle feather with a bottle of beetle green paint.

Here is what I told Matt on the phone. there where two old time Rhode island red breeders and they also wrote in the Rhode Island Red Chronicles in the 1950s and 60. They said the make up of the color of a rhode island red was blue, black, red and yellow. The striping or over amount of lacing would block the yellow to go and help the color pattern. Therefor if you wanted your black to go to the wings and improve them this fault would block this effort. If you wanted to get a 100% solid green tail on your males inside as well as outside you could not do this with this fault. Then if you wanted a black quill color on your birds you could not get your color dark enough as the blocking of the color from the heavy back stripes in the neck feather. Remember Mr. Reese said the secret is in the DAM. So if she has ticking she will help you with your color.

Harold Tompkins the greatest Red Breeder that ever lived is the one who I think told this to one writer Charlie Naugle. Harold had two pet things Ticking and not lacing and he wanted his females to weigh one pound over standard weight and lay 195 eggs per year. If he did he felt you where in the ball park for type and color.

So the secret as I see it is ticking and not lacking work on this trait if will pay off in the long run.

Hope that clears up the issue of the black in the neck area.

In regards to the color of the New Hampshire's. Get you a 1964 standard. Read what the color should be and then look at Schillings picture and go for that look and color. I have no idea what the standard says toady on this color. If it was changed by someone i dont know why.Bowles and Schilling had it all figured out in the 1940s and 50s why change anything. bob

 

[fowlman01]

I don't think the Standard for the new Hamps changed Bob. The 1980 APA SOP has a RIR and NH color chart on page 78.

Keep in mind that it is impossible to accurately match feather colors with any kind of printing process.......but they should be close. Hopefully page 78 has not been in the sun or indoor light for too long.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I don't think the Standard for the new Hamps changed Bob. The 1980 APA SOP has a RIR and NH color chart on page 78.

Keep in mind that it is impossible to accurately match feather colors with any kind of printing process.......but they should be close. Hopefully page 78 has not been in the sun or indoor light for too long.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I don't think the Standard for the new Hamps changed Bob. The 1980 APA SOP has a RIR and NH color chart on page 78.

Keep in mind that it is impossible to accurately match feather colors with any kind of printing process.......but they should be close. Hopefully page 78 has not been in the sun or indoor light for too long.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I don't know why that posted 3 times.

 

[kathyinmo]

I don't know why that posted 3 times.

I think important posts are just repeated like that.

 

[fowlman01]

I think important posts are just repeated like that.

Find a 1980 SOP.

Walt