Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chris09]

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Well I would say they were. The Rose Comb White Dorking was admitted in 1960.
The only "Heritage Rules" that I could find states

"recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century"

and I would say that 1960 would be mid-20th century.

I know they are a slow maturer and will breed naturally so yes I would say they are...

Chris​

 

[joletabey]

Don't Dorkings trace back to Roman times or some other dim, distant past? Close to being one of the oldest chicken breeds known? Or am I mixing them up with something else?

 

[Chris09]

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Dorking History
This English bird is one which may be considered an ideal bird for general purposes. It is a hardy fowl and can stand almost any amount of cold weather, providing the ground is not damp. This is proved by the fact that they do well in the northern part of Scotland and in the extreme north of Ireland, among the Cumberland Hills, and in other places equally as cold and exposed. This should be remembered by those who contemplate raising them, that the soil must not be damp if success is expected with them. The Dorking is one of the oldest of domestic fowls, if not the oldest. There are no definite records to show when it first lived in England, or whence it came, but the supposition is that it was carried to England by the Romans, who evidently possessed fowls of similar characteristics.Roman authors such as Pliny, Columella and Varro describe Dorkings and Archaeological studies on the Thames, and in the Lake District back this up.Bonnington Moubray in his book "Practical Treatise on Domestic Poultry" ,1824 describes it in great detail. He also referred to it as the Darking.The name Dorking was given to the breed in 1863. The first Dorkings brought into the United States were introduced in about the year 1840, by Hon. L. F. Allen, of Black Rock, New York. The chief distinctive mark of the breed is the presence of a fifth or supernumerary toe, springing behind, a little above the foot and below the spur. It has been sought by various writers to deprive Dorking of the honor of being the original and principal rearing place of this justly celebrated variety, and it is asserted that the true Dorking fowls are raised at Horsham, Cuckfield, and other places in the Weald of Surrey, and that the ancient and superior white fowls from Dorking are a degenerated race compared with the improved Sussex breed. The feature in which this bird is most popular is its table qualities. The flesh is white and very delicate in texture. It is claimed by many to equal if not excel the French varieties. The broad, deep and projecting breast of the Dorking admirably fits it for table purposes, and in the respect it is conceded by some the rival of the Indian Games. As layers the Dorkings are good, and are careful sitters and attentive mothers. They are splendid fowls for the farm and are profitable for practical purposes.

There are three varieties of Dorkings - the White, Silver Gray, and Colored. The White Dorking is really the purest blooded of the three, as for years this was the only variety which produced invariably the fifth toe, although the Colored and Silver Gray varieties seldom fail to breed this peculiarity.It was suggested that the colored varieties where created by crossing the White with other large colored fowl. In color the White Dorking is of clear, unblemished, glossy white. The comb and wattles are a bright-scarlet red; the legs are either white or a delicate flesh color.At one time there was also a Red Dorking, but this was described as been almost extinct in 1904

Silver Gray Dorkings are beautiful in plumage. The head of the cock is silvery white; hackle, pure silvery white, as free from stripes as possible; comb, face, earlobes, and wattles, bright red; beak, horn or white; eye, orange; breast, thigh, and underparts, black; back, shoulder coverts, saddle and wing bow, pure silvery white; coverts, greenish black; primaries, black, edged with white; secondaries, part of outer web forming wing bay, white; remainder of feathers forming wing butt black; tail, greenish glossy black; legs, feet, and toe nails, white. The eye, beak, comb, face, wattles, legs, feet, and toe nails of the hen are the same as in the cock; head, silvery white, with slight, gray markings; hackle, silvery white, clearly striped with black; breast, rich robin red or salmon red, shading off to gray in the lower parts; back, shoulder coverts, saddle, wing bow, and wing coverts, bright silver gray, with minute pencilings of darker gray on each feather, the shafts of the feathers white; primaries, gray or black; secondaries, gray; tail, gray, of a darker shade than body; quill feathers, black.

Sources
ultimatefowl .com/wiki/index.php?title=Dorkings

 

[joletabey]

Thank you, Chris. And also for the ultimatefowl. com site - new one to me!

 

[kathyinmo]

Yard full o' rocks :

Good afternoon all....

They are not great pictures for assessing them, but here are a few shots of my "Columbian Cartel".....LF Columbian Rocks at about 26 weeks old. Taken today in the beautiful sunshine and cool temps!!!

http://cid-76b0b01228a61131.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/Columbian Rocks Sept 28

Scott,
Your Columbians are really growing! I can't believe it has been 26 weeks already. I can hardly wait to watch your breeding program go. How exciting, working on such rare birds! You have got to be excited!​

 

[NYREDS]

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Everyone knows Carl. lol. I saw his birds at Lucasville a few months ago. We have huge classes of Orientals out here. 100+ at most shows.

Walt

Regional differences are interesting. Here on the other coast, or at least in the NE an Oriental is a rare sight indeed. I took 4 pairs of Malay Bantams to Cobleskill to sell & they sold while I was unloading the truck.

 

[cybercat]

Wow go away for the weekend and there is 7 pages to read on this thread.

I belive the cut off date for heritage is 1950 according to those from the ALBC. At least that is the one everyone quotes and what I have seen written.

Love the pictures of everyones chickens.

 

[Chris09]

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I was thinking 1951 but all ALBC says is -

Heritage Chicken must adhere to all the following:
1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.

So mid-20th century could be a wide range. To me it could be from 1940 to 1960.

Technically the 20th century began on January 1, 1901 and ended on December 31, 2000. so that would make the mid-20th century June, 1951.


Chris​

 

[fowlman01]

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Everyone knows Carl. lol. I saw his birds at Lucasville a few months ago. We have huge classes of Orientals out here. 100+ at most shows.

Walt

Regional differences are interesting. Here on the other coast, or at least in the NE an Oriental is a rare sight indeed. I took 4 pairs of Malay Bantams to Cobleskill to sell & they sold while I was unloading the truck.

I was told that there weren't many back there.
The last Pacific Poultry Breeders show in Stockton CA had 190+ The winner of the AOSB class is usually champion large fowl lately. They are good!

Walt

 

[Chris09]

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That will teach you to go away for the weekend. Now you have 7 new pages to read...

Chris