Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[NYREDS]

Sorry armchair experts, but Reds have been put into Buckeyes. The SOP does not say that and anyone who uses wiki as a reference is just naive, I can go there right now and post that RIR's were put into Buckeyes and then it is true. lol. I am not saying that this was done when they were first developed, (because I will admit to know knowing...unlike the "experts").....but I have also heard of this occurring. I had heard this directly from Grant Malone the biggest promoter of Buckeyes ever. You won't believe the people who really know what they are talking about, but you believe everything some newbie posts here. This is what is discouraging to the old timers that try to help you .Reading certain publications is a way to begin to learn, but people like Bob have talked to thousands of people raising birds over the years and has insight that you folks just don't have and more than likely will never have because of your narrow views and limited information.

This kind of thing reminds me of a bunch of adolecents that know everything and their parents don't know squat. I can't speak for Bob, but I can tell you that this kind of stuff makes me want to stop coming here. Why try to help people when they already know more than I do. I gotta say that I wish I could have learned this so fast and saved all that time the last 50 years. I am always surprised that I have learned so little compared to the folks of BYC. Maybe I need to go study Wiki.

BTW: LF Cochins are used as meat in other countries and in at least 5 high end eateries here in Napa/Sonoma. You pay extra for them lol.

Walt

walt,
I think you're a little thin skinned here. Personally, I appreciate it when someone who's had 3 chickens in a dog house in their backyard for a month informs me that I don't know what I'm talking about. I feel that the benefit of their knowledge & insights is very valuable to me & these people have cleared up many of my misconceptions.
Bob, About "Mr Silkie": as you know I'm a retired Mental Health Professional but I'd be willing to come out of retirement to help you with your Silkie problem.
Bill

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

That is still VERY cool! Having a book that old! It's almost 150 years old!!

I wonder, back then, if they published FOR the year 1875, but it was actually published in 1874?

 

[3riverschick]

I have an 1875 but have never seen an 1874.

I think back then it was called the Standard of Excellence. Think I saw on on Google Books. I'll take a look.
Karen
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Here's an article on it from Pou;try World , Vol. 2-4

"The New Standard of Excellence and the American Poultry Association.
Buffalo, May 23, 1874.
At a meeting of the Western New York Poultry Society, .May 22d, the following preamble and resolutions were unanimously adopted:
Whereas, The American Poultry Association was called into existence in consequence of an urgent demand on the part of breeders and fanciers from all parts of the country for a new Standard of Excellence to take place of the old one, and
Whereas, In obedience to the said demand for a new Standard, the American Poultry Association did publish and spread broadcast an invitation to all who felt an interest in the work, to come forward and unite with them in their efforts to make a Standard of Excellence that should be worthy to supersede the old one, and the invitation did especially urge upon all interested not to stay away from the convention, and after it had finished its labors, to find fault with those who had spent their time, money, and honest aid upon the said work, and
Whereas, In pursuance to the satd call of the American Poultry Association, there did assemble in the city of Buffalo, Jan. 16th, 1874, the largest number of representative breeders and fanciers ever assembled together in this country, and
Whereas, The said convention of the American Poultry Association did, as we believe, labor both faithfully and honestly for the best interests of the whole poultry fraternity in their endeavors to perfect a Standard of Excellence that would as nearly as possible meet the diversified views and prejudices of the large number of persons composing the poultry breeders and fanciers of America, and
Whereas, We have examined the said new American Standard published by the American Poultry Association, the result of which examination and comparison with the old Standard, convincing this society of the superiority of the new Standard as compared with the old, the same examination leads this Society to believe that the new Standard was hurried to press without that care that should attend the publication of a work of so much importance.
Resolved, That we recognize the American Poultry Association as being the only society in this country, composed of well known representative breeders and fanciers from all parts of the United States and the Canadas, in whom the fraternity at large have confidence; and by virtue of being so composed, is eminently qualified and competent to compile, adopt, and publish a
Standard of Excellence which should be accepted by breeders and fanciers generaly.
Resolved, That we do adopt the said new American Standard, as published by the American Poultry Association, as being in every way better than the old one, and more in consonance with the" advanced views of poultry breeders and fanciers of this age.
Resolved, That as long as -the American Poultry Association is composed of gentlemen who are competent, and evince the same willing disposition to do justice to all, and to outrage none, as characterized their labors at the Buffalo Convention; we shall look to said association for a Standard of Excellence which shall be our guide in judging and awarding premiums; and in all of their undertakings to improve the said Standard, they will have our hearty support.
Resolved, That we recommend the said American Poultry Association to inaugurate immediate measures to have all errors in the present (first) edition of said Standard corrected with the least possible delay, in order that the corrected edition may be ready for use at the coming fall and winter exhibitions.
Gimrge W. White, Sec'y.
IPoultry papers please copy.)"
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THE NEW AMERICAN STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE -S» AS REVISKD BY THE AMERICAN POULTRY ASSOCIATION AT THE CONVENTION, Held at Buffalo, New York, February, 1874. NOW IN PRESS. Price, 81.00. READY SOON.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

It also looks like it used to be called "United Poultry Fanciers of America" instead of the American Poultry Association. Is that right?

 

[3riverschick]

The Plymouth Rock standard and breed book: a complete description of all ...

By American Poultry Association, Arthur Carlton Smith

excerpt concerning the history of the 1st several editions of the APA Standard, 1871 thru 1875:

"About 1865 a poultry club was formed in England, but it did not secure many adherents and was speedily wrecked by the personal animosity which developed between two or three of its members. But it issued a description of the recognized breeds, with numerical values for the points, under the title of "Standard of Excellence," which was a landmark in the judging of poultry. In spite of many faults, it embodied the principle that fowls ought to be bred to definite points and judged by them, and that the points could be and ought to be defined. This was a great idea and a great service, though the first club's existence was brief and its Standard very crude. The scale of points only added up to a total of fifteen, through all the breeds, which quite shut out the modern system of "cutting" a portion off for defects; and in the descriptions themselves there were several errors—such as attributing red eyes to Malays—which, however, could scarcely be avoided at that early period. The existing judges ostentatiously declined to be bound by this Standard, which had, in fact, no authority; yet, nevertheless, its definitions or descriptions undoubtedly had great influence in bringing about greater uniformity of type and more general acceptance of a real type in many breeds."
A. M. Halstead, Rye, New York, issued a reprint of this English Standard in 1867, but it did not prove satisfactory to American poultry breeders. A year before the above made its appearance, I. K. Felch, Natick, Massachusetts, devised a Standard and Score Card, with a scale of points, for Light Brahmas, that proved to be the forerunner of an American Standard of Excellence. Mr. Felch claims that his score card was the first to be used in America.
The Lockwood Standard, adopted in New York City in 1871, was the result of the embryonic scale of points on Mr. Felch's first score card, embodying his valuation for shape and color, but the Felch scale was raised to 100 points and, instead of four sections, eleven were allotted to each breed. The bulk of this Lockwood Standard was made up from the English Standard, however. A. M. Halstead, in the fall of 1871, also published an American Standard of Excellence, but neither of these Standards proved satisfactory.
It was not until the American Poultry Association was organized, February 15, 1873, at Buffalo, New York, that the work of compiling a Standard of Excellence which would meet with the approval of American breeders of pure-bred poultry was begun.
At a meeting of the reorganized American Poultry Association held at Buffalo, New York, January 15, 1874, the first American Standard of Excellence was adopted. This standard consisted of 102 pages. At the third annual meeting of the American Poultry Association, held at Buffalo, New York, January 21, 1875, a larger and more complete Standard was adopted, containing descriptions of seventy-nine varieties of fowls, and consisting of 243 pages."

 

[NYREDS]

Yes, the first few editions of the Standard were titled "Standard of Excellence". I have the 1874, 1879 & 1883, all titled "Standard of Excellence". I have an 1894 edition titled "Standard of Perfecrtion" so the title changed some time between 1883 & 1894.
The 1875 edition is described as a revised edition suggesting that theree was, in fact, an 1874 edition.
The APA, as we know it, was formed in 1873 & was named The American Poultry Association at that time. There may have been a previous organization that evolved into the APA but I've not heard that.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Very cool. VERY cool. Ask me about American History or wars and I'm lost...but this history fascinates me. Knowing that there were people out there as crazy as we were about the same things? WAY before we were even thought of?

Well, before MOST of us on here were thought of...

 

[wsmith]

Very cool. VERY cool. Ask me about American History or wars and I'm lost...but this history fascinates me. Knowing that there were people out there as crazy as we were about the same things? WAY before we were even thought of?

Well, before MOST of us on here were thought of...

American History is one of the main reason I chose American Dominiques...........

 

[NYREDS]

Very cool. VERY cool. Ask me about American History or wars and I'm lost...but this history fascinates me. Knowing that there were people out there as crazy as we were about the same things? WAY before we were even thought of?

Well, before MOST of us on here were thought of...

Hey, I'm not THAT old! Make you a deal: make it to one of the Syracuse shows next year & I'll bring the 1875 Standard so you can look it over.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

If we are still up here in PA by that point, I will be going! I think Delmarva is a bit too far away for me again. The car was NOT the most comfortable place....but not the worst place I've ever slept.

You'll have to let me know when those shows are so I can take off of work and plan it all out!