Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[mschlumb]

I think your missing it, If a bird is Over or Under weight by 20% there is no docking of weight, the bird is DQ'ed.



Where did you here this information?

Chris

I know that. If my bird was weighed because its weight was questioned but was found to be within the scope of 20% it would have points deducted. I found this information on page 32 of the 2010 edition of The Standard of Perfection "In any case where evidence is doubtful the bird shall be presumed to be acceptable". There is no evidence that a judge is accurate in feeling a bird and guessing its weight, because it is just a guess, unless it is something really obvious.

 

[Chris09]

I do not like the fish scales. I have and use them. I think they get you in a range. Buckets are not as good as a sack. The deflection in the handle varies. They would work fine for a dead bird.

I don't like fish scale either, I have a postal scale that has a wooden create on it.
The postal scale that I have will weigh up to 50 lbs and if I have to weigh anything over 50 lbs I use a digital livestock scale that can weigh up to 2000 lbs

Chris

 

[thedragonlady]

Hey, I am not trying to blame anybody or be antagonistic, I'm just saying you not be well recieved if you walked into a show hall with a set of scales, it's unfortunate but that's just the way it is.... As breeders we just need to make a choice..breed a big bird to win, or breed one more in line with the standard. I hope majority of us stick with standard guidelines.

That's a very noble idea. Why don't the judges subscribe to it ? They ARE representatives of the APA at that show .

 

[Chris09]

That's what I use. A digital postal scale with a 10 x 10 inch platform. $19.99 on EBAY including postage. Much easier than the old hanging milk house scale I used for many years. I weigh all my breeder birds & know several other breeders who do this as well.

I think you and I may have the same scale. lol I got my poultry and my wife's "wool" scale from e-bay and they were $19.99 each

Chris

 

[NYREDS]

Who told you that? I have disqualified birds for weight w/o actually weighing them when they were obviously way over or under weight. [usually under]

Here's what the Standard says: "When size & weight cannot be determined by comparison, it is advisable to require the weighing of the specimens."

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As you can see I said I have disqualified birds that were OBVIOUSLY over or under weight. Your original statement was not presented as your thinking on the subject it was presented as a fact which it was not. You stated that a judge can't d/q a bird for weight w/o knowing a precise weight & that's simply mot the case.

 

[thedragonlady]

If you wanted to get past that "Guys like big birds" thinking, you could set the rule that every bird that is awarded Class Champion or Reserve is to be weighed and birds out of the SoP range for their breed will not be awarded those points and would be ineligible for further competition that day. Enact such a rule at every APA show, and we'd see weights lining up with the SoP across the board within 2 years.

You'd start a riot, but it might work !

 

[Chris09]

I know that. If my bird was weighed because its weight was questioned but was found to be within the scope of 20% it would have points deducted. I found this information on page 32 of the 2010 edition of The Standard of Perfection "In any case where evidence is doubtful the bird shall be presumed to be acceptable". There is no evidence that a judge is accurate in feeling a bird and guessing its weight, because it is just a guess, unless it is something really obvious.

There are no points deducted for 1 pound off but a 2 point deduction for each pound after.

 

[mschlumb]

That's a very noble idea. Why don't the judges subscribe to it ? They ARE representatives of the APA at that show .

I don't know, politics has something to do with it. logistics of weighing all the birds at a show. And as much as I hate to say it some judges just don't care. I know of one judge, who will remain nameless, that judged our gray runners at the Ohio Nationals one year, admits he picks dark billed females because that is his preference, even though the SOP calls for an orange bill. Now not everyone is like that but there are just those few.

 

[NYREDS]

In days gone by, even before I started showing, birds were weighed when they were cooped in-every bird shown. Not sure when this fell by the wayside but it did. A couple years back a friend of mine brought a scale into a show hall under his coat as a joke. When he showed it to me I moved awway from him-didn't want to be caught in the cross fire.

 

[mschlumb]

As you can see I said I have disqualified birds that were OBVIOUSLY over or under weight. Your original statement was not presented as your thinking on the subject it was presented as a fact which it was not. You stated that a judge can't d/q a bird for weight w/o knowing a precise weight & that's simply mot the case.

Ok, i should have been more specific on what i meant. But as a judge would you trust your judgment enough to DQ a bird that wasn't obviously over or under weight?