Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Compared to what we buy now from a hatchery, the heritage breeds were much larger. I remember a time when hatcheries sold chicks that were more true to type; you could easily separate the chickens if you had ordered RIRs, NHs, and mixed in some of the 'new' production reds to boot. Leghorn cockerels did make great fryers; they were larger than today's laying strains, laid less eggs in that first year, but were productive layers for about three years. Though breeding and maintaining of pure, heritage chickens [as well as every breed of livestock] was starting to change even before my early childhood, some still kept the heritage breeds strictly for their original utility value, and the breeds chosen by which ones best met their needs or preferences. In fact, someone breeding with a lot of emphasis on producing a show winner would have been looked down on by some folks as "ruining" the breed, and a show strain and a heritage strain were two different lines. [There was no chance that a heritage breeder was going to use a Leghorn hen to breed with if she was a mediocre layer, just because won every show she was entered in.]

Not knockin' on show breeders, the heritage breeds are still in existence [for the most part] only because of them, and I hope to show my birds [large fowl Cornish] someday.
Not only were the Heritage breeds much larger, but they had more muscle (MEAT, folks) on their bones from never having been confined in tiny coops (see chicken tractors here). Most times these were hatched by a broodie, and had the run of the yard after 2 weeks old. They developed muscle mass in legs , wings, and breast (pectoral muscles, ladies) While running and flying about the yard.

This is something I encourage my Buff Orps to do today. What a difference it had made !
 
Not only were the Heritage breeds much larger, but they had more muscle (MEAT, folks) on their bones from never having been confined in tiny coops (see chicken tractors here). Most times these were hatched by a broodie, and had the run of the yard after 2 weeks old. They developed muscle mass in legs , wings, and breast (pectoral muscles, ladies) While running and flying about the yard.

This is something I encourage my Buff Orps to do today. What a difference it had made !
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Barred Rocks and New Hampshers were bred from foundation breeds. What happened with the New Delawares was first a lot of work on the Barred Rocks and the New Hampshires. Then the Delawares were re created from them. They are very nice!

The foundation breeds that made the BRs and NHs are in too poor of shape or extinct to recreate them. The First step is to keep the Foundation breeds pure and improve them. That may not be possible within a persons lifespan however.

It's seems better to follow Bob's plan and save the ones that can be saved.

These are just my thoughts and I am not trying to demean any ones efforts! Your dedication and passion to working with these project is inspiring to me!
 
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Just a suggestion. It might be easier if you stayed in the same color famly (red) and general body type (dual-purpose). Speckled Sussex is the hardest variety of Sussex to get right because they are a tri-color breed. Smart of you to start with such an august strain as Albritton. Light Borwn Leghorns are e+ wildtype. A challenging color to keep pure. Red Sussex are Speckled Sussex without the speckles. They definitely need help, ultra rare.
Best,
Karen
 
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Barred Rocks and New Hampshers were bred from foundation breeds. What happened with the New Delawares was first a lot of work on the Barred Rocks and the New Hampshires. Then the Delawares were re created from them. They are very nice!

The foundation breeds that made the BRs and NHs are in too poor of shape or extinct to recreate them. The First step is to keep the Foundation breeds pure and improve them. That may not be possible within a persons lifespan however.

It's seems better to follow Bob's plan and save the ones that can be saved.

These are just my thoughts and I am not trying to demean any ones efforts! Your dedication and passion to working with these project is inspiring to me!
Always nice to bounce ideas back and forth!
 
Would anyone like to speak to
-- What is the current status of Leghorns (other than white, esp. Mottled, Mille Fleur, Brown)?

I understand that Heritage breeds are not going to have the egg production of a modern Production Red,
but I AM looking for a breed that is egg laying focused (w/ fryer boys I assume) . I would rather feed a few extra rare breed hens than a flock of PR from a hatchery.

Thanks for all comments.
FeyRaine
 
Would anyone like to speak to
-- What is the current status of Leghorns (other than white, esp. Mottled, Mille Fleur, Brown)?

I understand that Heritage breeds are not going to have the egg production of a modern Production Red,
but I AM looking for a breed that is egg laying focused (w/ fryer boys I assume) . I would rather feed a few extra rare breed hens than a flock of PR from a hatchery.

Thanks for all comments.
FeyRaine

Over in Sunny California, cherylcohen is working with Mille Fleur Leghorns. They look very pretty and seem to be a bit calmer than the White ones. They lay nice white eggs but I do not know how productive they are.

Send Cheryl a PM!
 
So what constitutes a "true" breed of chicken?
A true breed of chicken is a chicken that breeds true. It is a purebred. A pure-breeding bird. A throughbred. A bird which replicates itself in its' get in successive generations. A bird you can breed pure in the strain and it will self-replicate. A purebred bird will stand every kind of breeding program except cross-breeding and still relicate its image .
I don't think it matters how the creature got to this point,(be it 1000's of years of evolution, or the skilled hands of a breeder{s}), if it meets this definition, it is a purebred, true breeding creature.
JMHO,
Karen
 
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