Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[thebirdguy]

Is there an APA club in Idaho or Utah. If there were, that's where I'd begin.

There isn't a club in Idaho that I know of... or Utah.. There is a poultry fanciers group in Utah that I am trying to get some more information on.. Nothing in Idaho... I started the Rocky Mountain Chickenstock last year here.. will have the 2nd Annual on May 4th.. wanting to do a show but there aren't any APA judges closer than California... Anyone want to come visit Yellowstone in May and come judge a show? Walt?

 

[vebyrd36]

I still think that as long as breeders hold back and do not push their lines a bit and get as many birds as reasonably possible into good hands that the fate of the heritage birds is sealed. If the popularity of poultry is on the rise, why wouldn't this be the opportunity to get folks that are now a little seasoned on hatchery birds hooked on heritage birds. Bob has mentioned that more people are calling him to get connected to good birds. HURRAY!

THis mentality will impede the recovery of these wonderful lines that you and Bob have been trying to preserve. DOesn't any one look at the situation this way?

Just food for thought.

I understand were you are coming from. Many times I have seen new comers to the bird world give up because they were given a tongue lashing for just asking a questions and or a question that some has demend stupid. We are all students, teachers as such. True enough some of the longtime breeders are gun shy, but the reality is even they started somewhere. No matter if you are a first timer or old timer like some like to say, it does not matter if it is one day or 25 years you still have to remain humble, respectful, and always willing to share your knowledge with others or our birds do not stand a chance of survival. VIVI

 

[Arielle]

It's kinda like the heirloom seeds deal. Yes you can get it. Some people start with orders seed and they start saving and breeding from there. Some people never save a seed one but they like the nostalgia of the taste, color, whatever. But if you want to preserve anything you must share it with other so they to can enjoy it.

THank you-- you said it far more eloquently than I did.

 

[3riverschick]

Here are a couple of interesting articles which might be pertinent:
March 1908 issue , Pages 69 thru 71 ,
http://tinyurl.com/bte9yq9
(scroll down to the 8th hit which is the article:
Something About Strains
What a Strain Is—The Value of It—How to Establish It—What to Accomplish by It—Time Required to Secure Results
By HARMON SEELEY BABCOCK
Who is the author?: Born April 11, 1849, at 10 yrs. old started breeding fine fowl, Game Bantams, Cochins, Bolton Greys. Light Brahma and Games came later. A poultry breeder and judge who made the 2nd import of Cornish to America. Wrote monograph on Indian Game. Co-Author with I. K. Flech of, "The Philosophy of Judging". Author of 1888, "A poultry compendium...". Editor of an edition of the APA SOP.
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A typical Rose Comb Rhode Island Red, such as are bred at Sandy Creek Poultry Farm, Pittsburg, Pa. Birds from this farm have been winning in the largest and best shows.
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The Poultry World , 1887 , Page 121
Problems and Principles.
By H. S. Babcock.
IX. WHEN, IF EVER, CAN NEW BREEDS AND SUB-BREEDS BE CALLED THOROUGHBRED FOWLS?
(note this is Part Nine and concludes from the evidence set forth in earlier Parts.)
http://tinyurl.com/c8ybvfl

 

[Robert Blosl]

Here is one for you Bob.



Walt

I just got done listening to Led Zeppelin on the TV what a show. Then I come to this and see my old mentor Vern Sorenson. Wow. By the way I am sending a young fellow back home some leghorns and white rock bantams and he told me he did know Vern as a young boy and he has one of his Standard of Perfections that Vern Signed and owned.

He was the quickest eye in the west. He also could come into your chicken house at night with a flash light and pick your best birds. He was the last of the Sringmen of the West Coast. Thanks Walt.

 

[fowlman01]

There isn't a club in Idaho that I know of... or Utah.. There is a poultry fanciers group in Utah that I am trying to get some more information on.. Nothing in Idaho... I started the Rocky Mountain Chickenstock last year here.. will have the 2nd Annual on May 4th.. wanting to do a show but there aren't any APA judges closer than California... Anyone want to come visit Yellowstone in May and come judge a show? Walt?

There is a UT club and they have a show once a year. The show is in Farmington. I don't have any particulars, but check the APA web page for info.

I can probably judge a show in May. PM me the details when you are ready.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I just got done listening to Led Zeppelin on the TV what a show. Then I come to this and see my old mentor Vern Sorenson. Wow. By the way I am sending a young fellow back home some leghorns and white rock bantams and he told me he did know Vern as a young boy and he has one of his Standard of Perfections that Vern Signed and owned.

He was the quickest eye in the west. He also could come into your chicken house at night with a flash light and pick your best birds. He was the last of the Sringmen of the West Coast. Thanks Walt.

Vern gave me my APA judges test...sometime a long time ago..........Vern was quick, but another of his protege's was faster. Bill Wenger. Bill finished a large class of white Rocks while I washed my hands here in Santa Rosa one year. I came out and he was finishing a class of about 30 large fowl Rocks...couldn't beleive it.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

RE: difficulties buying birds. I would guess that most of the people "turned off" here have never tried to buy a bird from a breeder. A lot of this is folklore perpetuated here on BYC and not based on anyone's actual experience with real breeders. Breeders may be difficult to find, but we have mentioned how to do that.

Walt

 

[Rosecomb-Ryan]

I sell good birds to kids cheap if I think they will at least give it a shot. I even enjoy it if they beat me.....once.

Walt

Hahaha! I just seen this..... I will work on beating you more than once..... ha!

 

[3riverschick]

I still think that as long as breeders hold back and do not push their lines a bit and get as many birds as reasonably possible into good hands that the fate of the heritage birds is sealed. If the popularity of poultry is on the rise, why wouldn't this be the opportunity to get folks that are now a little seasoned on hatchery birds hooked on heritage birds. Bob has mentioned that more people are calling him to get connected to good birds. HURRAY!

This mentality will impede the recovery of these wonderful lines that you and Bob have been trying to preserve. Doesn't any one look at the situation this way?

Just food for thought.

The Marans people understand this. Look how far they have come. Sure a portion of the birds spread round the public were mismanaged. But many weren't . As people got used to the breed, they became dissatisfied with their untypey birds. They either improved them or found breeders with better birds and started over. Now , ten years after things got real serious with the breed, Black Copper and Wheaten have both been APA approved. Plus they have plans for Cuckoo, Blue Copper Marans and White Marans. No, the 1st 9 yrs. weren't pretty and a lot of things went wrong. But a lot more things went right and the breed is progressing nicely.
Karen
Former Director of Archives
Marans of America Club