Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[NikonD2xer]

Hi,
When you go to the link above or below, in the left hand column is printed in blue type LA84 Foundation Search Page . Just click on the blue type and it will take you to the search page. Yeah, I know, non-typical. Took me a while to figure it out. Here's the link to the Wheeler article on Med Fowl:
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Outing/Volume_60/outLX02/outLX02n.pdf

I am not seeing it either. You linked a PDF file and not a web page.

i think this is where we were directed to go.

http://search.la84foundation.org/se...ylesheet=default_frontend&proxycustom=<HOME/>

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

You live in Alaska and want to keep your male in your basement. Do you only want one male with say three to five females?

If you could get someone who lives down the road from you a friend or relative to keep a male for you as a spare. You could breed the male to the females then the next year pick the three or four top females that you feel you have got improvement on and then mate back to this male. You could do this maybe for say three years then find a new male maybe a young male from the friend and then do this again.

Only having one male is tough. I tried something this year and it back fired in my face. I had a champion white leghorn bantam female and kept three males. I was going to rotate the males with her for three weeks then take the male out save the eggs and mark the eggs pen one and toe punch the chicks pen one. Then put the male two in the pen and do the same and toe punch the chicks pen two. Then the last male a cock bird her cousin a great typed male and toe punch pen three. Well she is a leghorn and they lay tons of eggs. She layed her first egg all season this past week. Will I have to do this during June and July? I don't know. I was then going to pick the best female from each male and mate the females back to their sires next year. Toe punch again the chicks then the next year I would have to do it again inbreed and or line breed back to the sires. Then the three family's would have her great traits and type and then would go with the rotational line breeding method.

Sometimes its looks good on paper and it will not work. I had two champion white rock bantam hens one thee and her daughter two years of age. I had them in a pen off the ground three and half feet. A stray part pit bull came in and jumped up and tore the wire on my door and the door opened they jumped on the floor of the pen. Then he kills them for the sport of it. I hatched only one chick from this star mating. He is a male. So my method of the super females hatching twenty chicks and then starting a new line breeding method is over. Five years of work down the toilet. I have her sister, a four year old male a champion him self of one show by the master breeder I got them from and that is it. I sold two trios to some friends and can go back maybe and get a new female. What I think I am going to do is give all the white rocks this Dec to my partner and let him take over the project and stick with my Reds.

I hope this helps you.

This does help, Robert! I will definitely make it a high priority to get a set of these birds into other competent hands for back-ups and collaboration. Wish I had more chicks to work with, but I believe I'm starting with good stock, on the Chanteclers anyway, and I think we can make it work.

Do you strive to start over with new stock replacement stock (offspring) of one gender or the other every year, or do you hold back the parent stock for multiple years? I know with my rabbits I was grateful that I did not move my foundation out too fast as I went back over several generations to linebreed back and set traits. This will be easier for me to do with hens as opposed to cocks, though...

 

[catdaddyfro]

This does help, Robert! I will definitely make it a high priority to get a set of these birds into other competent hands for back-ups and collaboration. Wish I had more chicks to work with, but I believe I'm starting with good stock, on the Chanteclers anyway, and I think we can make it work.

Do you strive to start over with new stock replacement stock (offspring) of one gender or the other every year, or do you hold back the parent stock for multiple years? I know with my rabbits I was grateful that I did not move my foundation out too fast as I went back over several generations to linebreed back and set traits. This will be easier for me to do with hens as opposed to cocks, though...

For sure this using of the same GOOD hens for multiple generations is a very good way to establish a line with set traits, to me and my understanding anyway, you for sure know exactly what they are/have, the cocks are more of a gamble, well at first till you see in a few generations what they will produce. Yes, I say use a good hen till she is unproductive or dies of old age.

Jeff

 

[3riverschick]

Yummy Chicken
. Many say crock pot, but I forgot. So dinner time and no cooked chicken. Got to thinking, Crockpot is to keep the juices in. What If I start the bird off real hot, like a turkey, to seal in juices and then lower the temp. So wiped bird inside and out with olive oil/poultry seasoning mix. Used my KitchenAid pottery deep dish which has a kind of heat sink effect when cooking. Added no water. Covered dish with foil and baked at 400 for 40 minutes. Then checked, almost done, dialed oven back down to 350 for another 20 minutes. Wow, was it moist and tasty! Just a thought if one needed a quicker dinner than a crocked one. This was a 3 lb. bird.

 

[Lacy Blues]

Yummy Chicken
. Many say crock pot, but I forgot. So dinner time and no cooked chicken. Got to thinking, Crockpot is to keep the juices in. What If I start the bird off real hot, like a Ttrkey, to seal in juices and then lower the temp. So wiped bird inside and out with olive oil/poultry seasoning mix. Used my KitchenAid pottery deep dish which has a kind of heat sink effect when cooking. Added no water. Covered dish with foil and baked at 400 for 40 minutes. Then checked, almost done, dialed oven back down to 350 for another 20 minutes. Wow, was it moist and tasty! Just a thought if one needed a quicker dinner than a crocked one. This was a 3 lb. bird.

Is this a home grown bird? And how old? Good advice, I'll keep it.

 

[Lacy Blues]

I am not seeing it either. You linked a PDF file and not a web page.

i think this is where we were directed to go.

http://search.la84foundation.org/se...ylesheet=default_frontend&proxycustom=<HOME/>

Well, I checked all of those out too and I got a pdf of the first four pages and no columns on the left to find anything. Sorry, I must be extremely dense but it's not working. Maybe its Mozilla Firefox's fault ?

 

[3riverschick]

Quote: Yes, this was a home grown Cornish cross raised by a neighbor. I don't know how old it was. Don't Cornish cross grow at a steady pace? So they reach 3 lbs. at about the same age? I don't know when that is.
Best,
Karen

 

[3riverschick]

Quote: Yeah, that Med fowl article was 4 pages long. Might be Firefox, no problems with IE.
Best,
Karen

 

[Tammy N]

Awhile back I read a post about kids not wanting to eat the birds your family grew. This was my solution to that potential problem with my Grand-daughter. Get them involved in the process. We harvested 50 birds in Dec, she was there for the entire process and was even given the job of putting them into tubs after cleaning. The child is amazing and she likes how they taste "they are better then the store Grammy". I love hearing those words. Sorry it's a little off track Bob, but they were from a flock of hatchery Orpington's. I'm doing my part to convert all my friends over to SOP birds so we cleaned out a neighbors coop, does that count

. Thank you all for continuing to make this forum one of my favorite sources of information.

Im sorry Most kids her age Are Balling and Freaked out ............ Does she hate mondays ? She is adorible and will make a great farmer ,. Shes got it better then i had it and i still Hate taking a life. Envy you go girl ,

 

[NYREDS]

Im sorry Most kids her age Are Balling and Freaked out ............ Does she hate mondays ? She is adorible and will make a great farmer ,. Shes got it better then i had it and i still Hate taking a life. Envy you go girl ,

Are you sure they're balling & not bawling? Quite a difference between the two.