Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

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Be confident! You know you would have remembered where you heard that.....eventually.

w.

 

[cybercat]

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That will teach you to go away for the weekend. Now you have 7 new pages to read...

Chris

read them before I posted.

It will be interesting to see what the APA comes up with on the heritage line. Having the name being related to the APA standard at that time cuts out so many old breeds that were not in the USA then.
I know many this sticks in their crop since it must be APA standard before mid centry.

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

I think some measure of common sense should be brought into the equation with the whole "Heritage" label. Forget ALBC, heck, forget the APA. The APA does not recognize every old, naturally reproducing, slow maturing breed out there, I'm sure.

What is the SPIRIT of the Heritage monicker? To preserve valuable biodiversity of old strains of poultry, in this case? Is this limited to breeds that held utilitarian function? Where do ornamental and bantam breeds come into play?

To me, any breed with a rich history that was not developed with the benefit of modern industrial agricultural practices is a Heritage Breed. What that rules out is our modern production strains and some "fancy pants" breeds.

Really, from that stand-point, it might be easier to state which breeds are NOT heritage breeds. Isa Browns, Cornish X, Production Reds....? None of those are APA, but are the APA breeds that we can definitively say are NOT heritage breeds? Even the Ameraucana and the Aracauna have a rich history through the Quechua birds someone just posted about the other day.

For the most part, I think this gets down to preserving specific strains and styles of these breeds, not the breeds themselves (Unless you wanted to debate whether or not hatchery stock BR are actually BR at all). It gets down to reinvigorating interest in exhibiting poultry. It gets down to getting back to the point where you have a well-rounded animal that behaves as it should and looks good doing it.

And I think it's awesome, no matter what you call it. I wish there was a "Heritage movement" in the American Kennel Club!

 

[Chris09]

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That will teach you to go away for the weekend. Now you have 7 new pages to read...

Chris

read them before I posted.

It will be interesting to see what the APA comes up with on the heritage line. Having the name being related to the APA standard at that time cuts out so many old breeds that were not in the USA then.
I know many this sticks in their crop since it must be APA standard before mid centry.

There not only needs to be a breed list but also a variety list.
Example -
The Wyandotte was admitted in to the Standard in 1883 (Silver Laced)
Gold Laced 1888
White 1903
Buff 1893
Black 1893
Partridge 1901
Columbian 1905
So I would call all of them Heritage Wyandotte, but what if the Blue Laced Red variety gets admitted?
I wouldn't think you could call the Blue Laced Red variety Wyandotte a Heritage Wyandotte. But that might just be me..

Chris

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

I just decided the only APA LF breed that shouldn't be called heritage is the Naked Neck.

There was a mess of REALLY old breeds admitted in 1960, eh?

 

[Chris09]

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If the APA would make a list of heritage and since it is the American Poultry Association I would assume that it would only make since to use breeds that are of American Heritage/ history and also should be breeds that is in the American Standard of Perfection.


Chris

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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If the APA would make a list of heritage and since it is the American Poultry Association I would assume that it would only make since to use breeds that are of American Heritage/ history and also should be breeds that is in the American Standard of Perfection.


Chris

So the APA Heritage list is only going to be for American breeds? Are they going to be mad when I still call my Orloffs and Chentecler heritage breeds?

 

[sammileah]

so i am intersested in this heritage breeding but didn't really understand what the dif in where you got them hatchery or breeded. untill i ran into these barred rocks that the ppl had been breeding for 30 yrs.

they are a good 5lbs heavier than my hachery batch

hatchery hen

 

[Chris09]

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If the APA would make a list of heritage and since it is the American Poultry Association I would assume that it would only make since to use breeds that are of American Heritage/ history and also should be breeds that is in the American Standard of Perfection.


Chris

So the APA Heritage list is only going to be for American breeds? Are they going to be mad when I still call my Orloffs and Chentecler heritage breeds?

No. I said

If the APA would make a list of heritage and since it is the American Poultry Association I would assume that it would only make since to use breeds that are of American Heritage/ history and also should be breeds that is in the American Standard of Perfection.

Meaning breeds that were admitted in to the American Standard by a certain date. (example - say 1940)

You could still call Orloffs Heritage BUT they wouldn't be a APA Heritage breed. As far as that go's technically Orloffs aren't a Heritage Breed even by ALBC guide lines..

Chris​

 

[NYREDS]

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Regional differences are interesting. Here on the other coast, or at least in the NE an Oriental is a rare sight indeed. I took 4 pairs of Malay Bantams to Cobleskill to sell & they sold while I was unloading the truck.

I was told that there weren't many back there.
The last Pacific Poultry Breeders show in Stockton CA had 190+ The winner of the AOSB class is usually champion large fowl lately. They are good!

Walt

The winner of the AOSB class is sometimes Champion LF here too, but it's always an Old English. We regularly have classes of 100+ of those.

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I think the whole question of what is or isn't a "Heritage Breed" is getting fuzzier as the discussiomn progresses. While I appreciate the ALBC's efforts to define criteria I think a list of breeds would have been much more helpful. Then there would have been the problem of getting other esteemed bodies to agree to the list.