Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[punky rooster]

when is the new APA standard of perfection coming out?

 

[joletabey]

November.

 

[punky rooster]

thanks. do they admmit any new breeds to? and will it be the same price as the last one?
thanks this is a great thread
punky

 

[tnchickenut]

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I'm sorry, did you say Schilling would PHOTOGRAPH a bird then draw it!?!?!? Huh. That is enlightening information, now isn't it Del People? I do remember being told by some that the SOP pictures were made up images of someones fantasy of what the perfect bird would look like... so, Bob, you are saying they were photos first?!?!?

 

[cpartist]

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I'm sorry, did you say Schilling would PHOTOGRAPH a bird then draw it!?!?!? Huh. That is enlightening information, now isn't it Del People? I do remember being told by some that the SOP pictures were made up images of someones fantasy of what the perfect bird would look like... so, Bob, you are saying they were photos first?!?!?

I'm really enjoying this thread! Just lurking and learning.

As a professional artist for over 25 years...I'll try to give some insight on this, if it is a real question...

Most artists use photos (their own or with permission) as a base to start with. This applies to those doing realistic work of course, and not abstract or imaginative.

It takes some time to produce a piece of realism, and you need to establish a solid reference point, we can't just pull this stuff out of our....the air.
Even if doing a still life, shadows change, petals fall, etc., and chickens are not very still at all

.

I'd imagine the SOP artists work with a basic photo as a take off point, then use artistic skills to modify shape, comb points, etc.

That is where the skillful artist will be able to translate a photo into a painting that portrays the SOP.

Illustrating the SOP would be a dream job. I'm currently working on a "chicken line" for my print publisher/licensing company, and their in-house artists have added
elements to make it more decorative. White eggs with a Copper Marans???

. I'm lobbying to keep it "real" to no avail

.

 

[fowlman01]

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There are new breeds and new illustrations. I think it is the same price.

Walt

 

[Robert Blosl]

Schilling would take pictures with a big camera that you may have seen where you put a black cloth over the view and you stick your head under the cloth to look through the viewer at the subject you where photographing. These camera had a negative that would be like a plate. Lets just say maybe 4x5 inch negative. Shilling then would make a print of this negative and then touch up say the breast or uderfluff area. Then he would take a picture of that print and that would be the final picture. Thats why sometimes old timers would say the picture was untouched. Schilling could take a bird that had faults and improve him for his customer and make him look like he had a 95 point bird.

The picture that I put up of the large fowl White Rock is just a great example of what a Rock should look like live in a pen or on the ground. will compensate for his faults. When Schilling made the black and white pictures for the APA Standard he made them to the ideal of Perfection or the Perfect bird. These pictures where of 18 moth old birds not Cockerels and pullets. I hope this helps you understand what he did. He was a wonderful chicken man and any one who ever had the chance to talk to him or learn how to judge with him was blessed. He was not only a great poultry artist but painted dogs for dog breeders. He was cheated out of a lot of money for his work over the years and died a very poor man I think in 1957. He helped develope the White Leghron Bantam and was very found of Rhode Island Reds and the Rhode Island Red Club. I have a picture of him some where I will try to put it up some day. I have read many of his articles on Rhode Island Reds and what he expeceted as a judge when he was in charge of that class.
Neal Grassbaugh is the next best photograper I have ever seen to Schilling you should watch him at the shows today and how he makes magic with his camera and compouter . and his work stands for its self still today. bob

 

[fowlman01]

Quote:
I'm sorry, did you say Schilling would PHOTOGRAPH a bird then draw it!?!?!? Huh. That is enlightening information, now isn't it Del People? I do remember being told by some that the SOP pictures were made up images of someones fantasy of what the perfect bird would look like... so, Bob, you are saying they were photos first?!?!?

Schilling would sometimes photograph a bird and then go over it with ink or some other coloring agent. Old style Photoshop. The birds were drawn as closely to the written description as possible. They are helpful to see where and how things are on the birds. They are not 100% accurate. There are 66 new illustrations taht are very accurate in the new Revised SOP. These were done by Katherine Plumer. Goggle her and you can see the new illustrations.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Quote:
I'm sorry, did you say Schilling would PHOTOGRAPH a bird then draw it!?!?!? Huh. That is enlightening information, now isn't it Del People? I do remember being told by some that the SOP pictures were made up images of someones fantasy of what the perfect bird would look like... so, Bob, you are saying they were photos first?!?!?

I'm really enjoying this thread! Just lurking and learning.

As a professional artist for over 25 years...I'll try to give some insight on this, if it is a real question...

Most artists use photos (their own or with permission) as a base to start with. This applies to those doing realistic work of course, and not abstract or imaginative.

It takes some time to produce a piece of realism, and you need to establish a solid reference point, we can't just pull this stuff out of our....the air.
Even if doing a still life, shadows change, petals fall, etc., and chickens are not very still at all

.

I'd imagine the SOP artists work with a basic photo as a take off point, then use artistic skills to modify shape, comb points, etc.

That is where the skillful artist will be able to translate a photo into a painting that portrays the SOP.

Illustrating the SOP would be a dream job. I'm currently working on a "chicken line" for my print publisher/licensing company, and their in-house artists have added
elements to make it more decorative. White eggs with a Copper Marans???

. I'm lobbying to keep it "real" to no avail

.

PM me if you are really interested in doing SOP illustrations. I am the APA SOP Chairman and I'm always looking for a good artist. Birds are not easy to draw or paint.

Walt

 

[tnchickenut]

Thanks Bob and Walt... I am completely fasinated with the SOP pictures. I guess I'm a visual learner or something, but the pictures are the best tool sometimes. I like to take the SOP (I prefer the Schilling ones) picture and put it next to a picture of my bird(s). You can really just glance and see where you need to work. Priceless those pictures are.

I'm going to google this new artist... really excited to see them new pics!