Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Robert Blosl]

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That a boy. He was Secetary of the Rhode Island Red Club in the 1920s had 5,000 Red Club Members and judged all over the place. At that time when you read the Rhode Island Red Journal there where 45,000 house hold subscribers. Do you know where it was printed from no hints you to smart. I dont think he even breed R I Reds but suppose to put these red and brown cornish togeather. bob

I think that the Rhode Island Red Journal was published in Waverly, Iowa.

Chris

Correct now for a steak dinner what was the other three publications they sent out every month. bob

 

[Robert Blosl]

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What is the 1924 Ringlet catalog? Did E. B. Thompson publish a catalog to sell his chicks? Could you post a picture of the catalog? I would love to see it.

Wow that is fantastic. I was talking to my friend last Tuesday night about Ralph Kinckerbocker. His wife I think had great Coching Bantams and he had big Reds in the old days and then finished up with Red Bantams. The Ringlet Catalog would be great to see. I remember a story that John Robinson told I read in one of his books. He went to Madison Square Garden to check things out and saw Valantine and asked him where his father was. He said dad went back to the hotel. Is he all right? Yes he just wanted to get out of here he was feeling a little poorly. So John went to the big New York hotel and there was E B Thmpson sitting in the hotel lobby reading a News Paper. John said My God I thought you where sick or something. He said I was for a little while but I got better after I got out of that big Chicken Show Room at the Garden. What was wrong with you.

He said if I tell you will you keep it a secret. Yes. If I ever hear you told anyone I will never give you a intereview again.

What is it said John.

I am allerigic to FEATHERS. My God said John Robinson the countrys greatest reporter on Poultry and Poultry book writer you the greatest Large Fowl Breeder in the world alergic to chicken feathers. Yes.

John kept this a secret untill E B Died. Hard to think but thats what he said. I have never know a man with a name Valitine. I often wondered how he got that first name.

Thanks for the great story Dan. You got great poultry roots. bob

 

[CharlieVoda]

Here is a link to Harry Lamon book The Mating and Breeding of Poultry on breeding barred rocks. Go to page 75. Lots of great feather pattern pics here. It talks about light on dark etc, in the mating pens.

It is a good idea to double mate them 'a cock line and hen line' at least once every few years to prevent the color from getting light and washed out. It will keep those nice white or silver gray and black bar or pencil lines crisp. The same is true in Dark Brahma. You can get by line breeding or pen breeding them for a few years then you are best off to double mate for a year or two again to get the color set back in them. With Dark Brahma you put a male with white breast penciling and a little brown in the shoulder on darker hens to set the pencil pattern in the hens and breed good hens. For males you use the best male on overly dark hens. You will want to try and keep track of hens from the hen line and hens from the cock line and the same with the cock birds. Are you having fun now? Get out the record book.

The male barred rock always sets the barring in a rock. It is a very challenging pattern to breed as is any party colored bird. That is why the non party colors win most of the time at the shows.

I believe in rocks the male sets the barring and the hen gives the type as well as contributing to the color. If I remember correctly a barred male will generally throw all barred birds if the male is a rock.

If your breed is in this 1921 book it is like a bible if you are a heritage believer.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Wf...m=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Might have a lead on some Silver Penciled Wyandotte LF will be taking a look on Tuesday if all goes as planned.
I am working on my list Bob. Will check with Don on the color pattern for you.
Will wish Don well from you and your partner Walt.

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[Chris09]

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I think that the Rhode Island Red Journal was published in Waverly, Iowa.

Chris

Correct now for a steak dinner what was the other three publications they sent out every month. bob

Well there was the Rhode Island Red Journal, and the Rhode Island Red Club Chronicle there the only two I can think off hand that was strictly R.I. Red based.


Chris

 

[CharlieVoda]

E. B. Thompson double mated all of his Ringlet strain. This may be the reason for a light and dark strain of barreds.

Here is a good article from google books. You will have to read it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=sC...esnum=6&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

 

[cherylcohen]

Most of you know I'll be showing my 2 Silver Pencilled Plymouth Rocks at the upcoming Stockton Show. I may also have a table because I make and sell, chicken tee shirts and gifts & recycled feed bag totes.

I thought maybe it might be nice to have some info about my passion and mission of breeding these beauties! I was going to put together a flyer or something telling about the rarity and my personal goal of helping to expose and make this breed more available.

Does anyone have some verbiage or pieces of educational material that maybe I can draw from and quote?

 

[seabass327]

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how is this?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/63711_thumb_kraig.jpg

Thanks Ppunky, that cockerel is the only one I could find also, but that is the look I was asking about. I believe he was 5 or 6 months old at that time, and I've still not been able to find a picture of a winning barred cock that has that type of feathers. I just find it odd that the feathers seem so different on exhibition barred rock cocks vs the white, buff, columbian, silver penciled or partridge birds. Truth be told, I like the look of the birds with the longer feathers and fine barring. I first got hooked on that look when I tied and sold flies for fishing. My favorite color patterns all used grizzly hackle. Anyway, just added the last part to tie my question into the other trout fishing references from yesterday.
rich

 

[Robert Blosl]

If you where going to line breed a barred rock male to his female how would you do it.
I would take the best male I had with the best type and mate his daughter or two daughters to him raise all the females up to adult age then pick the best two females and mate them back to hime the next year.
I would then repeat the process each year mating the best females back to thier sire for a period of four years. This is a form of inbreeding or intense line breeding but you will end up with females with type like thier sire.
Then you will have to come up with a plan to mate them back to thier uncle or another super typed Barred Rock to improve and keep the traits you got from this male.

Do you have a picture of the ideal Plymouth Rock?
This picture of the white rock male is about a good as I could ever hope for to use as a model for Plymouth Rock Large Fowl Type. Notice the back angle it does not start at the neck but in the mid back and it is not to high like most rocks are getting today.

Do you have any pictures of a good Columbian Plymouth Rock Male?
This is the picture of the sire to the trio that is at Yard Full of Rocks home. He is the best colored male I have seen. He came from Canada from Nick Neuland.

Do you have any pictures of your old strain of Oliver Bowman White Plymouth Rocks that you got from him 20 years ago.??
Her is a picture taken of the 2011 breeding pen of the male that we got out of a old male that I sent to Penn to Terry W. two years ago.
He and his brother have really come along way and have eggs in the incubator and hope to hatch about 75 chicks this year.
They live near Pensacola Fla on a freinds farm.



I Have a Question for you. Please give me some info on creating bantams.
What type of bantam would you suggest crossing with a LF Java?

Is there a formula?

I guess you could cross a black Plymouth Rock Male onto a Black Java Female. Maybe there are some Black Java Bantams out there I don’t know. Anyone have a clue to help this breeder?

I want to get a start of Rhode Island Whites. Where can I get some?

Any hatchery that advertises them. However, what are you getting? Half Rocks and half Wyandottes. There is no true R I Whites alive today.

There is one breeder in Washington State Chick Lady that has as close to trying to be for this breed. Send her a personel message and she will share some eggs with you this spring.

This is a list of messages I get every day. I thought I would post them on this thread so others could see what I get every day. I have a request for a line breeding chart on the male to duaghter mating process but I could not get the chart to post on this message.
Maybe Kathinmo who I sent one to her can get her computer to post it. I could not draw a better chart and it works as that is how I got my Red Bantam females to have correct type like thier males by in breeding them for three years.

Have a nice Sunday how is our voting going on the top thread of the year for this site? I lost the page that it is on. bob

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Contact P. Allem Smith's organization. He as real urgent at Shawnee about preseving the SilverPencilled Plymouth Rocks.

 

[Robert Blosl]

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Correct now for a steak dinner what was the other three publications they sent out every month. bob

Well there was the Rhode Island Red Journal, and the Rhode Island Red Club Chronicle there the only two I can think off hand that was strictly R.I. Red based.


Chris

Rhode Island Red Jornal which I have read from 1912 to 1944. Then Ernie Jones Sec of the Red Club started the Red Folder from 1944 to 1947 then Ernie got Art Schilling to help him design the cover of the Rhode Island Red Chronicle which he did from 1947 to 1967. Then we have had differennt ones since the other secetaries took over. The next one I saw at the Tenn Universty Vet Library it is called the Plymouth Rock Monthly it is bound from 1912 to 1944. Then the Wyandotte Hearld same thing 1912 to 1944 all bound in perfect book form, the last is Leghorn World again all bound from 1912 to 1944. Andrew Studier was the editor of all these Journal along with his side kick O R Ernist a great judge and chicken man. About 20 years ago I sent a plea to Waverly Iow to the Waverly Publising company and thier was a old man who worked there who worked as a young man with Mr. Sutdier. He gave me the name of his daughter who was living in a retriement home. She said I will give you these old Rhode Island Red Journals that are bound they are from 1917 to 1944 if you will come up here and pick them up. I could not drive up their and pick them up but I got a idea one day when I was in a office supply store. I saw a big envelope with bubble wrap in it and I took a large bound book that I had from another breeder and put it in the envelope and took it to the post office. Then I purchased the postage for each envelope till I had enough for the 8 different units. I sent the envelples to Mr. Studerd daughter and each day she took one book and enveolope up to the nurses station to have mailed to me. Over a week each day I got a Rhode Island Red Journal sent to my home. I was the happiest Red Breeder in the world. I had all the Rhode Island Red Journals, Red Folders, Rhode Island Red Chrocles from 1912 to the present.

I read them over and over and over. I made photo copies of the top articles and shared them with the Red Club members as Classic Articles.
The moral of the story is these old books are still out their in Libaries. You can put a search into the goggle slot and find where most of them are. The super large Vet Libraryies around the coutnry have them. Each book is worth abot $200.

I gave mine to the top Red Folks that I cold trust. I hope in 20 to 40 years they will end up in the hands of the future super star Red Breeders. You can not give them to the current Secetaries. The Red club did this after Ernie Jones died and every secetary lost them or stole them.


Well its of to Handy Pandy Land and to water my ducks. bob