Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

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Chickielady wrote:

kathyinmo wrote:

Are Cuckoo Marans Heritage Large Fowl?

I have no idea !
These birds were taken to a feed store south of Santa Rosa (CA)and put on consignment by an old couple who breed and hatched the chicks.
I may be able to call said feed store and ask if they remember the poeple who brought these birds in for sale..All I know is they are fantastic layers and are some of the very rare that are French, so I am trying to get the feathered shanks and toes back in the line,
Thanks for looking.

No. They're not. Marans them self are not even accepted to the APA, were not brought to America until recently, and there's no way of telling if the Cuckoos you know of were bred to the SOP throughout their generations. Not meaning to offend, just clarifying.​

Look at any breed and ask of it the following:

Heritage Chicken must adhere to all the following:
1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.
2. Naturally mating. Heritage Chicken must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating. Chickens marketed as Heritage must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.
3. Long, productive outdoor lifespan. Heritage Chicken must have the genetic ability to live a long, vigorous life and thrive in the rigors of pasture-based, outdoor production systems. Breeding hens should be productive for 5-7 years and roosters for 3-5 years.
4. Slow growth rate. Heritage Chicken must have a moderate to slow rate of growth, reaching appropriate market weight for the breed in no less than 16 weeks. This gives the chicken time to develop strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass.
Chickens marketed as Heritage must include the variety and breed name on the label.
Terms like “heirloom,” “antique,” “old-fashioned,” and “old timey” imply Heritage and are understood to be synonymous with the definition provided here.​
 
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An intensive form of line breeding where an individual with highly desirable traits(S) is mated to his daughter(D1) and daughter's daughter(D2) and so on, in order to maximize the percentage of S's genes in the offspring’s. The D3 offspring would have 87.5% of his genes while D4 offspring would have 93.75%. Such breeding methods can be used to create a "near clone" of a desirable individual
Linebreeding is a form of inbreeding practiced by some animal breeders. To "fix" desirable traits in a breed of animal, without as high a risk of producing undesirable traits that may occur with close inbreeding.
A typical example of linebreeding would be what in human parlance would be considered a mating of first cousins or more distantly related individuals who share a common ancestor.
While linebreeding is less likely to cause problems in the first generation than does inbreeding, over time, linebreeding can reduce the genetic diversity of a population and cause problems related to a too-small genepool that may include an increased prevalence of genetic disorders and inbreeding depression
http://nhpr.org/node/32592
http://www.featherauction.com/detail.asp?id=326
http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Line_Breeding
http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rhode_Island_Red

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Here is the poll to vote. You are in first place, Bob!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=438477
 
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No I havnt voted yet I was waiting on somebody to post the thread on here again as i dont know where its at either,
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catdaddy
PS. and by the way guess which one I'm voting for? you got it this one eveytime I start reading them to catch up on it takes me a while as the pages incessently keep popping up every time I get one finished, I think, theres another one phsew of course I also read like I type and talk, low and slow. Everybody keep it coming I'm loving all this great info.

OK I found it on kathy's post I had jumped the gun when i posted this, thank you Mrs, Kathy
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An intensive form of line breeding where an individual with highly desirable traits(S) is mated to his daughter(D1) and daughter's daughter(D2) and so on, in order to maximize the percentage of S's genes in the offspring’s. The D3 offspring would have 87.5% of his genes while D4 offspring would have 93.75%. Such breeding methods can be used to create a "near clone" of a desirable individual
Linebreeding is a form of inbreeding practiced by some animal breeders. To "fix" desirable traits in a breed of animal, without as high a risk of producing undesirable traits that may occur with close inbreeding.
A typical example of linebreeding would be what in human parlance would be considered a mating of first cousins or more distantly related individuals who share a common ancestor.
While linebreeding is less likely to cause problems in the first generation than does inbreeding, over time, linebreeding can reduce the genetic diversity of a population and cause problems related to a too-small genepool that may include an increased prevalence of genetic disorders and inbreeding depression
http://nhpr.org/node/32592
http://www.featherauction.com/detail.asp?id=326
http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Line_Breeding
http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rhode_Island_Red

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Here is the poll to vote. You are in first place, Bob!
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=438477

It should be pointed out that if using this type of intensive breeding scheme the following should be taken into consideration:

1. When the technique speaks of 'daughter' it means 'daughterS.' Using only one hen in each generation, even if that were the best hen would be a disaster by generation 3.
2. This technique will set BAD traits just as quickly as it well set GOOD ones.
3. This is NEVER to be used with average fowl.
4. This technique requires the hatching of many many chicks.
5. The pullets (if using a cockbird) in each generation will typically lay later and less eggs.
6. This type of breeding is not for the typical new-comer to poultry.
 
Bob,I did a quick look through my RIRed catalogs Ralph Knickerbocker 1923-163,not complete by many issues,the Payne Bros. in ct.1921-1929 plus a 1923 and 1931 Harold Tompkins.Ralph also kept a carbon of his letters to customers and I have a file of those. I knew Anne Knickerbocker well and she wanted me to have these.
 
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