Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[danhonour]

If you were to dig into the many old APA ,SOP you will find breeds added and removed.How these are handled with the heritage label I do not know ?At one time Cuckoo Leghorns were in the standard as Dominque Leghorns,Rose Comb Buff Leghorns were in the standard much earlier than 1981,I think they were dropped about 1923.About the same time Pile Leghorns were dropped. Some varieties have been around for many decades but never admitted Exchequer Leghorns and Mille Fluer Leghorns are two such.

 

[cherylcohen]

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Below are the only APA recognised varieties of Leghorns. The term Heritage is debatable; however, the ALBC considers the mid 20th century as a cutoff point. So any variety that were in the SOP by 1950-60 would or could be considered Heritage. Now will new varieties be considered Heritage? Debatable. The Leghorn as a breed is Heritage. Every variety may not be. The RC Black and RC Buff were entered in 1981. Yet the SC Black was in the first SOP in 1874 and the SC Buff was added in 1894. So a Black and Buff Leghorn with SC would be Heritage and a RC Buff and Black would not by the ALBC definition.

As of June 1, 2010 the Mille Fleur Leghorns are not in the SOP. So that variety would not be Heritage by ALBC definition. Though it was most likely created by using Heritage varieties of Leghorns. Now where did I put those aspirins!

HA HA I like that explanation. I'm going to get a a roo and 5 hens from SC birdfarm and it's just that you never ever hear about the variety and not much even about the breed here on BYC. It's not a critical issue if they aren't considered 'heritage' I just really like the idea of working with breeds that need preserving and getting them some extra exposure. The mille fluer leghorns sure are pretty!

Here is a pair I had hatched last year when they were young (currently don't have them)

 

[cherylcohen]

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Anyone know who else is breeding/keeping mille fleur leghorns?

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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The old breeds are sort of like a ping pong game. Back and forth. Some of those standard committees were

There was this Canadian once that had several new varieties in a brand new breed, the Albertans. Yet, when his Partridge Albertan was accepted as a Partridge Chantecler, he declined to have his other 10+ varieties entered. Still a can of worms with some. This bring up a question. If they were in the 1923 SOP but not in the current SOP, are they still heritage? My thought would be if a BREED is heritage then all varieties of that breed, that breed true to the SOP for the breed, would be heritage.

There is some discussion on the Buff Leghorn thread about egg color. A Leghorn lays a white egg. Some of the buff Leghorns lay a tinted or cream egg. Would that disqualify them as being heritage? I clerked for a judge once that was about to give an Ameraucana a Best of Breed. The show was small so we had plenty of time. When the hen squatted, the judge said we would wait a minute. When she dropped a brown egg, he disqualified her. Hen should have waited!

Maybe soon the APA Heritage Committee will have more solid guidelines for Heritage. Until then we can discuss our own theories. After then we can argue the APA guidelines!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Sam Brush touched on this subject at the APA Annual meeting in Shawnee. So many are used to "normal" size birds. When they honored Forrest Beauford, Sam told of seeing Forrest go out to his truck and bring in 4x4 lumber and raise the coops so the Langshan tails would not touch the tops. rodriguezpoultry has posted that she carries building materials with her to shows and does about the same. What can you say, she is one of Forrest's proteges! One of the tallest chickens I have ever seen was one of Forrest's Black Langshan males!

On a sad note, heard Forrest had to be hospitalised. Anyone heard how he is doing?

When Forrest came to the Shawnee show, he walked by my male that I got from him about 4 years ago and said "His cage needs to be higher". He had a brick lifting his cage. It warmed my heart to see him there. I wish I could have gone to the banquet but there was no way I was going to be able to.

When I called last week to invite him to my wedding, his daughter wouldn't let him speak to me. So I wasn't able to speak with him personally. I know it's killing him not to have his birds. I've already made everyone promise NOT to get rid of my birds until I am dead and gone. He was simply glowing at the show in Shawnee. I wish I could take him to all the shows I'll be heading to just to see that look on his face again.

It shocks me that more people do not bring building materials. Those Leghorns...there must be wider cages that can be used. Leghorns are so flighty those poor tails get tattered before the first day is over. How is it that a Leghorn tail will be ripped apart but a Sumatra tail (who can be just as flighty) can stand up to anything?

 

[Chickielady]

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If it were me I would get a bunch of chicks from Duane and see what you think. You could cross them onto your current line and save several years of trying to correct unwanted traits associated with out crossing to another breed. The hens in the background do look nice and much more true to type from what I can see of them in the pictures.

Maybe MOT your cockerel is just acting and stretching the way he is in the pics because he is young. I have seen a lot of strange things happen over the years in younger growing birds especially with cockerels.

I would not be too concerned about the one off colored hackle. How many Whites do you currently have? Got a few good pics of the girls. Side. front and top down?

Good luck with the birds
Charlie

Could be, I have not much time today, but have PM'd with Illia about some stuff and she may post the info for you guys to "chew" on, the mystery may yet unfold

in the mean time I want to tell you that MOT is "Meat On the Table" as the little 1 week old (even beofre that) would charge and peck a hand inserted into the brooder. No other baby chicks have ever done that, especially so young. Honestly, their type, and stance and gaite remind me of white turkeys

Later if I have internet~~

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Greetings Bob et al!

Back several pages (which is easy with this thread!) there was a book mentioned that contained/explained the Lager Scale. Is anyone about who could throw that title up? I was hoping to find it on google books.

Thank you kindly!

 

[draye]

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Below are the only APA recognised varieties of Leghorns. The term Heritage is debatable; however, the ALBC considers the mid 20th century as a cutoff point. So any variety that were in the SOP by 1950-60 would or could be considered Heritage. Now will new varieties be considered Heritage? Debatable. The Leghorn as a breed is Heritage. Every variety may not be. The RC Black and RC Buff were entered in 1981. Yet the SC Black was in the first SOP in 1874 and the SC Buff was added in 1894. So a Black and Buff Leghorn with SC would be Heritage and a RC Buff and Black would not by the ALBC definition.

As of June 1, 2010 the Mille Fleur Leghorns are not in the SOP. So that variety would not be Heritage by ALBC definition. Though it was most likely created by using Heritage varieties of Leghorns. Now where did I put those aspirins!

http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/APA_Recognized_Breeds_6_2010.pdf
Leghorn Rose Comb Black 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Buff 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Dark Brown 1883 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Light Brown 1883 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Silver 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb White 1886 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Black 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Black Tailed Red 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Buff 1894 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Columbian 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Dark Brown 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Golden 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Light Brown 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Red 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Silver 1894 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb White 1874 Mediterranean
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Missing the Exchequer variety. And a question: Where do the Danish Brown Leghorns fall in? Light Brown?

 

[usschicago1]

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Below are the only APA recognised varieties of Leghorns. The term Heritage is debatable; however, the ALBC considers the mid 20th century as a cutoff point. So any variety that were in the SOP by 1950-60 would or could be considered Heritage. Now will new varieties be considered Heritage? Debatable. The Leghorn as a breed is Heritage. Every variety may not be. The RC Black and RC Buff were entered in 1981. Yet the SC Black was in the first SOP in 1874 and the SC Buff was added in 1894. So a Black and Buff Leghorn with SC would be Heritage and a RC Buff and Black would not by the ALBC definition.

As of June 1, 2010 the Mille Fleur Leghorns are not in the SOP. So that variety would not be Heritage by ALBC definition. Though it was most likely created by using Heritage varieties of Leghorns. Now where did I put those aspirins!

http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/APA_Recognized_Breeds_6_2010.pdf
Leghorn Rose Comb Black 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Buff 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Dark Brown 1883 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Light Brown 1883 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb Silver 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Rose Comb White 1886 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Black 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Black Tailed Red 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Buff 1894 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Columbian 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Dark Brown 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Golden 1981 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Light Brown 1874 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Red 1929 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb Silver 1894 Mediterranean
Leghorn Single Comb White 1874 Mediterranean
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Missing the Exchequer variety. And a question: Where do the Danish Brown Leghorns fall in? Light Brown?

I have never seen a lot of these varieties in leghorns. Are columbians regularly shown? This Byc'r has them: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2682239
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[Yellow House Farm]

Hey guys, check me up on this, but I'm not certain that variety is a concern for the cut-off date. I think this pertains to breed only--could be wrong.