Breed/Hybrid/MUTT

[bock]

Actually bock, the UKC is a legitimate registry that has been around nearly as long as the AKC. Many people even feel that the UKC is "better" because they are a little bit more "performance" oriented than "conformation" oriented and a lot of people consider their performance events (such as Agility, earth dog, weight pull, obedience, etc) to be at least as challenging if not more so than AKC performance events. Many UKC dogs are also AKC registered. I think the scam registry you are thinking of is the CKC, which in newspaper classifieds almost always stands for Continental Kennel Club, often easily confused for the totally legitimate Canadian Kennel Club (also abbreviated CKC).

Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with people paying 1200 for a mixed breed "designer dog" if the breeders of these dogs were doing all of the health and temperament testing that a responsible breeder of purebred dogs was doing. After all, hip, elbow, eye, joint, heart, and thyroid testing isn't cheap and I don't have a problem with people offsetting the costs of running these tests on the parents by charging more than a few hundred dollars for a puppy. Not to mention the cost of high quality dog food for the dam and litter to provide optimal nutrition. But the fact of the matter is that these "breeders" are not doing anything different from the other BYB that sells their poorly bred yorkies, german shepherds, labs, or shih tzus for $300 in the paper other than slapping a cutesy name on their puppies and claiming that they are "hybrids." And people keep buying their dogs, and their stories that a lab mated with a poodle will make a new breed known as a labradoodle and that these dogs will somehow be free of the common health problems that cripple both breeds because of "hybrid vigor," because they don't bother to educate themselves before they get a pet.

It really doesn't surprise me at all that so many people honest-to-goodness really believe that if you take two breeds and mate them that you then have a new breed. After all, since both parents were purebred, logic dictates that the puppies are purebred too (even though they are a cross between two different breeds). After all, I used to be surprised at the number of people who came into the vet where I work and thought that their dog didn't have heartworms because we didn't see any evidence of worms in the stool sample. All they really latch onto is the "worm" part of the term Heartworm, they somehow totally overlook the "heart" part which would make them wonder why they are called Heartworms if they live in the GI tract. Same thing with "designer" breeds, people latch onto the idea that the parents are "purebred" and somehow fail to stop and think that a dog is no longer purebred when the parents are not the same breed.

Oops, your right. I'm too tired today! Thanks for catching that one.

 

[Minniechickmama]

They are called "designer breeds" My mom has one. He is a Peagle which is a Beagle X Pekingese. His breed is a actual recognized breed from what I understand so that is why they are expensive and the theory behind cross breeding. I really dont understand it. Just another way for people to make more money.

Well, if someone were to breed two real breeds together and make a new breed by selection of specific traits that will in turn breed true into the offspring, then it is a new breed. If you just cross two dogs, they are a mutt.
Designer breeds, unless they are bred to a standard over time, are a mutt.
I forgot that label.

Labradoodles can be an actual breed, but if you just take a Lab and a Poodle and mate them, you have a mix of the two, not a purebred. Some people have taken Labs and Poodles and developed the actual breed. There is an Australian line of Labradoodles.
I can say I am Madonna, but it doesn't mean it is true. People can breed two dogs and make up some combination of the name and it still doesn't = a new breed.

 

[Kevin565]

Sadly it's the same down here. Also we have a terrible problem with BYB making "Wolf Hybrids" with such breeds as pitbulls, labs, etc. There was even a cane corso wolf "Hybrid"

 

[Minniechickmama]

When you breed a Yorkie and and Toy Poodle together, you get a cute little fluff ball.
It really gets scary when you see stuff like what Kevin mentioned! Then you start seeing the aggressive combos coming together, and who is attracted to buying or breeding that stuff? Idiots who think it is cool to have a dog that will chew someone's face off and not think twice about it.
If there is an advantage to a cross, say to try to have a 'hypoallergenic' dog, or to promote hybrid vigor into an otherwise weaken breed that is afflicted with some detrimental trait. But just to do it because it sounds cool. How stupid.

 

[Iowa Roo Mom]

Someday I will learn to stay out of Other Breeds & Livestock all together...

Anyhow, in the mean time, to the OP, I totally agree.

 

[featherfinder]

Well, if someone were to breed two real breeds together and make a new breed by selection of specific traits that will in turn breed true into the offspring, then it is a new breed. If you just cross two dogs, they are a mutt.
Designer breeds, unless they are bred to a standard over time, are a mutt.
I forgot that label.

Labradoodles can be an actual breed, but if you just take a Lab and a Poodle and mate them, you have a mix of the two, not a purebred. Some people have taken Labs and Poodles and developed the actual breed. There is an Australian line of Labradoodles.
I can say I am Madonna, but it doesn't mean it is true. People can breed two dogs and make up some combination of the name and it still doesn't = a new breed.

I am not completely sure of his ginetics. As I said before he is my mom's and i was only there when she bought him. I could ask her if i can see her papers on him because i am pretty interested in his back ground now. I know when she asked me to go help her pick out a dog I was pretty shocked at his price tag. He was $1200 which was the same thing i paid for my PURE BREED Akita. All i asked her was why she would pay so much for a mutt? The guy at the pet store then procceded to tell me why he was so much and the background behind "designer breeds" but i didnt really pay attention. I was still amazed he was $1200. It was her choice though and not mine. I personally dont like him. He is constantly timid and acts like he is afraid of everything. Not sure if that is just his breeds or from the 2 cross breeds. He is also really think headed and doesnt listen to anyone. If you try to teach him something he acts afraid and runs and hides no matter how gental or how many treats you have. So he is not very well trained either.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Quote: Ugh, that one drives me nuts, as I've *only* seen it done in a way that is like, "be a man, buy our macho wolves". I usually see huskies and shepherds being used in some areas. A cane corso....? Ugh.

 

[SillyChicken]

I'm not a fan of the "designer" dogs either..they are MUTTS! A true breed has a standard and the dog has to consistantly breed true to the standard. It takes years and alot of hard work and several proven generations to get a new breed recognized by the AKC. We just got the Cane Corso recognized and they're one of the oldest breeds in the world!

 

[naturalfeddogs]

In order to develop a new breed, if someone wanted to, takes years and lots of thaught as to what the purpose of the breed would be. All these designer "breeds" are just two dogs someone threw together and gave them a "breed" name. They are nothing more than bybs and puppymills and it drives me crazy. If someone wants a mutt, go to a shelter for one. There are so many homeless dogs in need.

 

[babyblue2]

Hahah they make me laugh. But I'm one of those people who are like...if the dog hasn't proven itself on the field or in the ring and isn't a purebred it isn't worth breeding. Don't get me wrong I love my 'boxibull' and 'pitador'...but there are plenty of mutts out there. Some of the best dogs are mutts, but if you are breeding and selling a dog at least let it be proven. People are dumb.

This is how I feel, about horses too.