Breeders that sell .... Is it ethical?

[kathyinmo]

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auction on for tomorrow right??

Well, I had a Barred Rock cockerel in with the girls for my project. I just put the New Hampshire cockerel in with them on Jan 29. I should probably wait awhile to be sure the eggs produce pure New Hampshires, instead of my project eggs.

 

[hallerlake]

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Thank you for your post. See, this is, in part, what I was thinking also!

My New Hampshires are not all siblings. I do have diversity. I am fortunate that the breeder I bought these from is so knowledgeable, and he set me up very well with this stock. That said, I still have no idea what the outcome will be with my matings. It will be quite some time before I can see what I can produce.

On the other hand, there is such a shortage of good quality New Hampshires, and I do feel mine are pretty good, should I still just keep them all to myself? Maybe I should. I think about what Bob Blosl has said many times. Not to keep all your stock in one place. Share them, and IF something should happen, you can go back to one of your buyers and get some back. I think about that, too.

At any rate, whether my birds are show winners or not, I think they should produce a good enough quality for others to use as a base to work with. That, and the fact that it is impossible for me to hatch every single egg produced here, are reasons I think for selling.

Grrrrr, the dilemma!

I'm not a chicken expert so maybe I shouldn't put in my two cents, but I've done this with plants; shared them, and eventually needed to get some back when something happened to mine. Chickens are such fragile things. I read about predators or disease wiping out entire flocks. It's better not to have all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. As a buyer, if you're up front with me about what the eggs are, you've done all that you need to ethically.

 

[crazyhen]

Kathy ,I started something hummmmmm. I knew that once people saw those beauties they would want some too.

Gloria Jean

 

[wolftracks]

Kathy I think you should just get rid of all those eggs. You don't need them.

On the other hand I have a hatch on the 21st and will have a bator all empty

Send them to me and I'll dispose of them for you..

They'd be purdy in my yard. I'll take 3 dozen!

 

[Robert Blosl]

Just think there is a fellow in Germany who has the best New Hampshires in the whole wide world. How much do you think it would cost to have him send some eggs to us in the USA. How much would it cost us to buy two trios and put them in quarinteen for one year then get them so we could breed from them. Hundreds maybe Thousands of dollors.

Well her it is the New Hampshires from Germany that Kathy is willing to share with you. Just think what it would be like to have just a pair or a trio from this line.

Next the Barred Rocks. How much would it coast to get some barred rock large fowl from Australia that are pure E B Thompson line from the 1920's. How could we get them in to the USA they wont allow it. Are the Barred Rock large fowl really worth spending the money for eggs to have them sent from Australia to some god knows place in Canada then try to get them into the USA in three to five years. No.

Well I could not find any E B Thompson Large Fowl Birds from Australia worth fooling with so I droped the possable project. However, we found a guy in Nebraska who got some good birds from the King of Heritage Poutlry Frank Reese of Kansas and he shared them with Kathy.They are the old E B Thompson line thanks to Ralph Sturegen sharing his birds with Frank 50 years ago.

If you are on the list for eggs be greatful. Both breeds are worth the wait and the expense if not this year even next year.

They are very nice in my view I look forwad to seeing more of them in the hands of you who want them this year. I hope we can net work these birds with others then the big surpise is what happens when you cross a barred rock male to two New Hampshire Females.

If one out of ten chicks can look like the female I saw that Dough Acker showed at the Ohio National it will but light years of work a head for the Delaware breed you all want so bad. That will be the test is what will see next year in the new Delaware cross.

Is it etical to sell hatching eggs from birds like this. Yes. Thank God Kathy went thorugh the cost and expense to get these birds for us. Do you know she drove 900 miles round trip to get the barred rocks. That coast money in it self.

I wish there where other breeds that you folks want in the same class as these birds are. Some that I am trying to get or find are one point above hatchery mutss. I dont know how long it will take to breed some of these rare breeds back up but we must try. What a shame that our large fowl has got so poor in type and color in the past ten to twenty years.

I hope to see the large fowl Reds back up in the next two to three years.

They are going down hill like a rocket to find good ones and to find some one who can share them with you. The Red Bantams in the females have turned into new hampshire and rock type. Why? Dont know but there are only about two to three strains of these things left worth being called R I Red Bantams.

Well off to the outside and play with my ducks. Today its 70 degrees out side and I am building call duck nest for my three pairs. Got to clean out four pens and move the cornish up to the front and get them under the lights. Hatching season is just around the corner for me.

Bob

 

[kathyinmo]

Thanks for posting, Bob.

I did research this breed a little, and found out why (probably) Germany has the best New Hampshires. Along with a few other breeds (like the Plymouth Rock / Amrock), they were introduced into Germany as part of the post war reconstruction efforts. They became popular in Germany and they continue to be. Here in the USA they have fallen by the wayside, it seems. I thought that was interesting.

The stock I have does have German blood. Some are full German and the others are part German. I can't recall what year it was, but they were imported from Germany not so long ago.

Funny how all things today are related to history........

 

[bambi]

Kathy, what made them so popular during the post-war time? Is it because they are good multi-purpose breed?

 

[kathyinmo]

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In Germany post war reconstruction efforts .... I imagine it was because they are a good dual purpose bird, and they needed that. Just a guess on my part. But they remain popular there, still today.

 

[Robert Blosl]

You wont believe this but after World War Two the Rhode Island Red Club and its members sent eggs to Germany to help the old German Red breeders get started again. Why you would say as they had Rhode Island Reds since the 1920s. Reason the chickens where eaten by the German Soldiers and maybe even the American Soldieries during the War.

The chicken breeds where wiped out.

I have seen pictures of many of the European large fowl many are as good as they where years ago. I have seen such as Rhode Island Reds that are breed to near perfection however, they want a fowl with a longer leg and they almost look like large fowl modern games with red feathers.

I found a picture of my favorite barred rock male bird that Jeremy raised and has in his breed pens in Nebraska. It would be interesting to you who are on his waiting list if you hatch a male that grows up that looks like this one please take a photo of them so we can see them this fall. bob

 

[TACEYPERKINS]

Kathy- So you are putting the project on the back burner?