Breeding Blue-laced Red *How To*

[tadkerson]

The problem with blue laced red is that they do not normally carry mahogany. I have discussed this with blue laced red wyandotte breeders. Some are incorporating the mahogany gene into their birds and working toward a true red color.

Also in back crossing- you want to back cross to the breed you are working toward in order to retain type and other characteristics of the breed. This is especially true with birds that have a pattern. By using a superior bird to start with, you back cross to the bird to obtain the superior traits. That is why I suggested starting with a good male. If the breeder started with a wyandotte, each time the back cross was performed, the birds would become more like a wyandotte and less like a cochin. Back crossing is the fastest way to obtain patterns and type in birds.

Tim

 

[Bantimna]

This sounds intersting I would suggest buying from a good breeder.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I didn't mean to back cross to the wyandotte, I meant to get mahogany and blue lacing into the breed all at once, then back crossing to the selected breed. (That was based upon the sasumption that blr carry mahogany.) Starting with, as you said, a good gold laced male and breeding to a blue laced red wyandotte, selecting offspring and breeding back to the father, or to another good quality gold laced bird.

 

[iluvmychicks]

Just another idea of how to acheive the BLR color from a fellow cochin breeder. What are your thoughts on this approach......

If you can find some good typed Golden Laced Cochins,cross in a splashed Cochin and you should get 100% Blue Laced Red. If you use a Blue Cochin instead of a splashed,you will get 25% Blue Laced Red,50% Golden Laced,and 25% White Laced Red.

Shari

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Breeding to splash would give you the blue gene, but it would also remove a copy of lacing genes (probably; splash could carry them), and it would not change the gold to red unless you have a splash that is very leaky, with lots of red showing.

I'm not following the percentages. Yes by breeding to splash all chicks receive blue (as compared with 50% receiving blue if bred to a blue), but I don't understand where white laced and golden laced are coming from, or how gold is being changed to red.

 

[Bantimna]

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That quite amazing in genetics thanks for sharing Shari.

 

[iluvmychicks]

That quite amazing in genetics thanks for sharing Shari.

Oh no, I didn't come up with that, I quoted that post from a fellow breeder, I'm not that good....lol that's why I'm here trying to compute all this stuff in my head

Breeding to splash would give you the blue gene, but it would also remove a copy of lacing genes (probably; splash could carry them), and it would not change the gold to red unless you have a splash that is very leaky, with lots of red showing.

I'm not following the percentages. Yes by breeding to splash all chicks receive blue (as compared with 50% receiving blue if bred to a blue), but I don't understand where white laced and golden laced are coming from, or how gold is being changed to red.

I was wondering that too. I posted back to the person who wrote that, hopefully he can shed some light on how he came up with those percentages.

I have several splash birds I've raised with very good lacing that were produced from my blues. However, no splash with off color like the red leaking through. Who would have thought a bird like that could be used in a program?? Funny.


Shari​

 

[tadkerson]

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This would work if the splash was columbian restricted and carried two copies of the pattern gene. It is possible but I would think unlikely.


The percentages are mixed up- if you cross two blue birds you get a 1:2:1 phenotypic ratio (25% to 50% to 25%) or 1 gold laced with black to 2 gold laced with blue to 1 gold laced with white (splash). laced.

Tim

 

[Obsessive]

OK I don't want to sound (OR BE) ignorant here...and this is prob. a dumb question:

what would happen, if anything, if you threw in a self-blue instread of a standard blue?

and this is assuming we have been talking about a light blue from the beginning.

OK, you can all beat me up now

 

[Rare Feathers Farm]

I've been working that one myself.

I first bred a golden laced rooster (cochin) to splash cochin and ended up with what looked like buff columbian!

And this one, the pullet--she's VERY buff/red with black polka dots around her neck and BLUE tail feathers!

Did I mention she's HUGE!?? Here she is not that long ago with my golden laced hens--she's HUGE!

Another picture of her:

I then crossed my "lemon blue" cochin with a golden laced hen and and came up with a VERY red laced with blue undertones rooster. Which I'm keeping.

I plan to cross him with some blue laced red hens and see what happens. Of course, there will be comb issues to work out but I've been in contact with someone who breeds single combed...so we'll see...

You can just barely see how his feet feathering is bluish:

Here he is ''dusting'' in the fresh shavings: