BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[Turk Raphael]

And....it won't hurt a thing if some chicks are born with one leg shorter than the other or if the hackle feathers are growing upside down, like a Christmas Tree!!! Does that make sense?

Of course we ALL started somewhere and were shafted with such foolish and joking statements like mine.

Don't expect to get it all at once. Slowly but certainly, watch what the good breeders say, pay little heed to what the fools say and you will be
on Championship row, sooner than you realize...Just keep at it...keep striking at that bell..............

Turk

 

[ejcrist]

Yes, it is called inbreeding and is what you need to do to get a show quality breed--or just to get the genes to stick.

It is fine to do this with chickens. after 4 or 5 years you will want to bring in some fresh ones--looking for points that you need to fix in your flock.

Ok, so that's the first I read to breed brothers and sisters. I'm aware that line breeding is a form of inbreeding but most variations I read said to breed mothers to sons, grandsons, etc. and fathers to daughters, grand daughters, etc. I even saw variations of 1/2 brother/1/2 sister and cousins but never a brother to sister. I inferred the inbreeding was ok down to about 4 generations and then after that you had to out cross.

This chart is from http://orpingtonclub.proboards.com/thread/294/line-breeding

 

[CanadianBuckeye]

Ok, so that's the first I read to breed brothers and sisters. I'm aware that line breeding is a form of inbreeding but most variations I read said to breed mothers to sons, grandsons, etc. and fathers to daughters, grand daughters, etc. I even saw variations of 1/2 brother/1/2 sister and cousins but never a brother to sister. I inferred the inbreeding was ok down to about 4 generations and then after that you had to out cross.

This chart is from http://orpingtonclub.proboards.com/thread/294/line-breeding

I must confess I don't understand that chart at all. I can make out the first cross, male to female gives you offspring with genes from each parent (although let's not get into the sex linked ones). Then it looks to me like if it's a male chick you cross it back to it's mother and get grand chicks that have 3/4 of the mother's genes. If it's a female chick, cross back to the rooster to get grandchicks that are 3/4 dad's genes. Then you take the granchicks and cross back to grandma and grandpa to get chicks with 7/8 of the genes of the original parents. (Year 4). Then I'm lost. What's the point of crossing them again to get chicks with 50/50 genes of the original parents? I guess I can follow who gets bred to who (whom?) but I don't understand the point of it. You end up with all these chicks that have varying percentages of the original DNA, I thought the point of line breeding was to "recreate" the DNA of the original parents in the offspring. What's with the New line? AArghhh!

 

[Mini Meat]

Quote: I don't think breeding brother sister is a problem provided... they are both high quality examples to begin with.
I would never consider doing this with poor quality stock. If I had a clutch of full brothers and sisters that had an outstanding cockerel but the pullets were not great. I don't think i would do it.
I guess it would put it this way... always breed the best to the best and don't let the fact that the best are brother and sister stop you. Especially when first starting a line.

I believe the main reason to do so would be to increase uniformity in the flock. When you add in outside blood uniformity will likely suffer. Choosing an outside line that is itself highly inbreed will keep the road back to uniformity shorter.

Through inbreeding you can get farther, faster, with fewer birds... sounds good to me.

 

[Turk Raphael]

I don't think breeding brother sister is a problem provided... they are both high quality examples to begin with.
I would never consider doing this with poor quality stock. If I had a clutch of full brothers and sisters that had an outstanding cockerel but the pullets were not great. I don't think i would do it.
I guess it would put it this way... always breed the best to the best and don't let the fact that the best are brother and sister stop you. Especially when first starting a line.

I believe the main reason to do so would be to increase uniformity in the flock. When you add in outside blood uniformity will likely suffer. Choosing an outside line that is itself highly inbreed will keep the road back to uniformity shorter.

Through inbreeding you can get farther, faster, with fewer birds... sounds good to me.

Brother and sister? Forget about it! That kinda stuff's been going on in West Virginia, KY, and Tenn. from the beginning of time.

You just have to know when to say UNCLE!!!

Sometime you even bring in your brothers in law...so to speak!

 

[Beekissed]

Don't forget all those royal families overseas....been inbreeding for hundreds of years now and everyone thinks it's just dandy.

 

[CanadianBuckeye]

Don't forget all those royal families overseas....been inbreeding for hundreds of years now and everyone thinks it's just dandy.

And they seem to live forever! They must have the combo down pat. They are probably following a line breeding chart........

 

[Mini Meat]

Brother and sister? Forget about it! That kinda stuff's been going on in West Virginia, KY, and Tenn. from the beginning of time.

You just have to know when to say UNCLE!!!

Sometime you even bring in your brothers in law...so to speak!

Do I hear a banjo playing off in the distance?

Don't forget all those royal families overseas....been inbreeding for hundreds of years now and everyone thinks it's just dandy.

And so many of them do have beaks like a chicken... hmmm.

 

[ejcrist]

Brother and sister? Forget about it! That kinda stuff's been going on in West Virginia, KY, and Tenn. from the beginning of time.

You just have to know when to say UNCLE!!!

Sometime you even bring in your brothers in law...so to speak!

That's West "By-God" Virginia by the way.

 

[Beekissed]

Actually, WV is one of the states that made marrying first cousins illegal, though they can still have sexual relations....while in New York it's perfectly legal to do so, as well as in the UK.

Oh, look...even legal in Californy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state



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