BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

OK I read the articles, and I have one more question about fermented feed- you have to keep the feeders really clean, right? Doesn't the leftover fermented food spoil and grow Aspergillus and other nasties if you don't wash the feeders out after every meal?

Nope...I never clean my feeders. Mine are made out of wood, so no amount of scraping, hosing or scrubbing is going to get the dried residue of feed off those things. If you are adjusting your feed amounts properly, you won't have "leftovers" and all you'll see is a vague residue of the juice on the sides of the feeder. And, no, it shouldn't grow mold and such as it just dries out and their feeding efforts the next day will knock it off the sides of the feeder and into the daily ration.

Mold is more likely to grow in the absence of more healthy microbials~yeasts, etc., so your fears of mold and nasties are largely unfounded unless you are seriously mismanaging the fermented feed in some way, which is pretty hard to do.

I'll tell you a little funny about moldy feed....I had a feed can that had a few holes in the bottom of which I was unaware and rain had gotten in and soaked the bottom portion of my feed can. I started scooping into this feed at some point and noticed all the mold growth there. Took that feed out and tossed it in a pile in the woods and lined that trash can with a trash bag before storing more feed in it. Meanwhile my free ranging flock found that moldy feed, so I upturned a large rubber feed pan over it so they couldn't access it. I checked it later and noticed they had been scratching the feed out from under the sides of that pan and getting the feed anyway. I put a brick on the pan so it couldn't let the feed leak out from under. Some months later I happened to walk past that and noticed the pan had been shoved to one side and the chickens had still been scratching out that feed. I checked under the pan and there was just a little dab of feed left, so I just uncovered it and let it be.

None of those chickens took sick, died or even looked queasy after eating 1/3 a trash can of moldy layer mash and lived a long and healthy existence. It's clear to me that moldy feed fears are like stories of botulism in home canning....few and far between and always told as if someone knows someone who had this happen to them, but very few people actually are personal witness to such things.
 
interesting discussion.
I use Nutridrench with all chicks and love it. Even have the formula for cattle.

Another funny story about what chickens eat without getting sick.
We take all spent feed to a compost heap along with the debris from cleaning pens and cages, spent hay from the cows and the manure from the lot and stall. Anything I'm not supposed to feed chickens like onions, raw potato peelings etc go on the compost pile too.
The compost pile (often 5 feet tall by 20 feet in diameter is turned by tractor every few days....the foraging flock visits the compost pile every day nibbling feed, grain, seeds and bugs and worms. Below is part of the compost heap moved into the back of the garden after the chickens have already been foraging in it.

 
Hello,

I am new to this site. I am also new to chickens and how any of it works. If this is posted in the wrong place I apologize. I was not sure where to start. This thread was what caught my eye as I have been reading and reading trying to find information and people with the same mindset....production birds for eggs and meat. I have 5 copper merganzers (sorry if I spelled it wrong) who are now 3 months old. I have no idea if hens or cocks. I do have one that crows or is trying to crow. I have a question for you guys. What I am trying to do is find the best breed or breeds of chickens to cross. What my plan is is to have 6 hens and 2 roosters. I want a fast growing breed that will produce a lot of eggs. Any info would be great. My greatest frusteration is that there are a lot of breeds. There is a lot of information but hardly any information on how many weeks before we can butcher. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
 
Nope...I never clean my feeders.  Mine are made out of wood, so no amount of scraping, hosing or scrubbing is going to get the dried residue of feed off those things.  If you are adjusting your feed amounts properly, you won't have "leftovers" and all you'll see is a vague residue of the juice on the sides of the feeder.  And, no, it shouldn't grow mold and such as it just dries out and their feeding efforts the next day will knock it off the sides of the feeder and into the daily ration. 

Mold is more likely to grow in the absence of more healthy microbials~yeasts, etc., so your fears of mold and nasties are largely unfounded unless you are seriously mismanaging the fermented feed in some way, which is pretty hard to do. 

I'll tell you a little funny about moldy feed....I had a feed can that had a few holes in the bottom of which I was unaware and rain had gotten in and soaked the bottom portion of my feed can.  I started scooping into this feed at some point and noticed all the mold growth there.  Took that feed out and tossed it in a pile in the woods and lined that trash can with a trash bag before storing more feed in it.  Meanwhile my free ranging flock found that moldy feed, so I upturned a large rubber feed pan over it so they couldn't access it.  I checked it later and noticed they had been scratching the feed out from under the sides of that pan and getting the feed anyway.  I put a brick on the pan so it couldn't let the feed leak out from under.  Some months later I happened to walk past that and noticed the pan had been shoved to one side and the chickens had still been scratching out that feed.  I checked under the pan and there was just a little dab of feed left, so I just uncovered it and let it be. 

None of those chickens took sick, died or even looked queasy after eating 1/3 a trash can of moldy layer mash and lived a long and healthy existence.  It's clear to me that moldy feed fears are like stories of botulism in home canning....few and far between and always told as if someone knows someone who had this happen to them, but very few people actually are personal witness to such things. 


I've had chickens get into moldy feed that I tried to keep away from them too. Haven't lost any yet. Some things they actually prefer a little moldy like pumpkins.
 
Hello,

I am new to this site. I am also new to chickens and how any of it works. If this is posted in the wrong place I apologize. I was not sure where to start. This thread was what caught my eye as I have been reading and reading trying to find information and people with the same mindset....production birds for eggs and meat. I have 5 copper merganzers (sorry if I spelled it wrong) who are now 3 months old. I have no idea if hens or cocks. I do have one that crows or is trying to crow. I have a question for you guys. What I am trying to do is find the best breed or breeds of chickens to cross. What my plan is is to have 6 hens and 2 roosters. I want a fast growing breed that will produce a lot of eggs. Any info would be great. My greatest frusteration is that there are a lot of breeds. There is a lot of information but hardly any information on how many weeks before we can butcher. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.

Just hang tight. Someone who is less tired than I will come along soon and give you all the information you need, and then some. Best thread on the forum in my opinion!!!


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So I'm interested in trying out silver grey dorking, and perhaps crossing them with the american bresse I currently have. My goal being a duel purpose, very flavorful, realitivly fast growing bird. Does anyone have any insight into where to find good quality dorking stock?
I know others have tried this cross before and rave about the meat, but I was also wondering if anyone has ever kept the hens around as layers and if so what was their production like?
 
Hello,

I am new to this site. I am also new to chickens and how any of it works. If this is posted in the wrong place I apologize. I was not sure where to start. This thread was what caught my eye as I have been reading and reading trying to find information and people with the same mindset....production birds for eggs and meat. I have 5 copper merganzers (sorry if I spelled it wrong) who are now 3 months old. I have no idea if hens or cocks. I do have one that crows or is trying to crow. I have a question for you guys. What I am trying to do is find the best breed or breeds of chickens to cross. What my plan is is to have 6 hens and 2 roosters. I want a fast growing breed that will produce a lot of eggs. Any info would be great. My greatest frusteration is that there are a lot of breeds. There is a lot of information but hardly any information on how many weeks before we can butcher. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
I purchased Australorps from Duane Urch and have been pleased with the egg and meat compromise. My 18 month old cocks are 20% over standard weight using fermented feed for the first two months.

http://standardbreedpoultry.com/breeder/Duane UrchUrch-Turnland Poultry/190

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So I'm interested in trying out silver grey dorking, and perhaps crossing them with the american bresse I currently have. My goal being a duel purpose, very flavorful, realitivly fast growing bird. Does anyone have any insight into where to find good quality dorking stock?
I know others have tried this cross before and rave about the meat, but I was also wondering if anyone has ever kept the hens around as layers and if so what was their production like?


AnthNDacula says the best Dorkings come from Yellow House Farm. They are not selling any Dorkings in 2016. Maybe you can get on their list for 2017?


http://www.yellowhousefarmnh.com/index.php

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Murray McMurray has Dorkings
https://www.mcmurrayhatchery.com/silver_gray_dorkings.html
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Meyer Hatchery has them: https://www.meyerhatchery.com/productinfo.a5w?prodID=SGDS
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My Pet Chicken : http://www.mypetchicken.com/catalog/Day-Old-Baby-Chicks/Silver-Gray-Dorking-p1265.aspx
 

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