BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

Andalusions should have a high station. The Spanish, obviously, liked birds with a high station. I like the proud look of look of the Spanish breeds. They act how they look to. Well, most of them at least. Concerning type, would an Andalusion be an Andalusion without a high station? They would not be an Andalusion if they had a level back.

I was going to take a moment and comment on dragonlady's birds. I am intimately familiar with them. They are not my style (too much feather for my tastes), but for those that do fancy them, they are excellent birds. They are well bred, healthy, and vigorous. They have very manageable personalities, and are a pleasure to own. They are also more attractive in person, on green grass, than in a picture. They are big beautiful birds. The feather makes them appear larger than what they are, but they are still big birds. Their personalities remind me of my New Hampshire.

Another comment on type. When it comes to pure breeds, I admire good type. Even in production birds, a pure breed should have good type. A mixed breed should have good laying type etc. A flock of well bred birds have consistency concerning type. Production birds do not necessarily have to be as refined concerning color. They should still have good type.
I have a couple old photos of some utility light Sussex on pasture. Their color is not bad, but not necessarily for exhibition. They do have excellent type, and better type than many exhibition birds. If I was to judge between the two, I would certainly have to choose the former.

If we took the time to handle a flock of commercial sex links, we will find a consistency in type. Even among different lines. Feather quality is poor, poor combs, pinched tails, etc. Still excellent laying type. Just nothing other than what is necessary for laying eggs. Then, they are not famous for health and longevity. Something that is important to someone that is concerned with sustainability.

Someone mentioned the topic of crosses a bit ago, and Tony posted some pictures of one. I like traditional simple crosses. Where someone could accommodate two breeds, and do well by them. Also utilize the benefits of the cross. There is a number of possibilities. New Hampshire x Barred Rocks or Delaware, Reds x Light Sussex etc. The offspring make better dual purpose birds than the commercial hybrids. That is if the parents have good size and type. Of course the parents being good layers of big eggs would be important.

Regardless of the purpose, well bred birds are still the goal.
 
I think this is a good place to bring this post forward. I only had a brief encounter with RON but it was when he welcomed me to the thread and chastised others for failing to do so. I have a very thick skin but many others might not and If Ron never comes back to this thread as he has promised, we might owe it to him to keep the thread as close to the standards he envisioned.

Turk

Correct, and I miss Ron. I wish Jason would come on and visit us.
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Andalusions should have a high station. The Spanish, obviously, liked birds with a high station. I like the proud look of look of the Spanish breeds. They act how they look to. Well, most of them at least. Concerning type, would an Andalusion be an Andalusion without a high station? They would not be an Andalusion if they had a level back.

I was going to take a moment and comment on dragonlady's birds. I am intimately familiar with them. They are not my style (too much feather for my tastes), but for those that do fancy them, they are excellent birds. They are well bred, healthy, and vigorous. They have very manageable personalities, and are a pleasure to own. They are also more attractive in person, on green grass, than in a picture. They are big beautiful birds. The feather makes them appear larger than what they are, but they are still big birds. Their personalities remind me of my New Hampshire.

Another comment on type. When it comes to pure breeds, I admire good type. Even in production birds, a pure breed should have good type. A mixed breed should have good laying type etc. A flock of well bred birds have consistency concerning type. Production birds do not necessarily have to be as refined concerning color. They should still have good type.
I have a couple old photos of some utility light Sussex on pasture. Their color is not bad, but not necessarily for exhibition. They do have excellent type, and better type than many exhibition birds. If I was to judge between the two, I would certainly have to choose the former.

If we took the time to handle a flock of commercial sex links, we will find a consistency in type. Even among different lines. Feather quality is poor, poor combs, pinched tails, etc. Still excellent laying type. Just nothing other than what is necessary for laying eggs. Then, they are not famous for health and longevity. Something that is important to someone that is concerned with sustainability.

Someone mentioned the topic of crosses a bit ago, and Tony posted some pictures of one. I like traditional simple crosses. Where someone could accommodate two breeds, and do well by them. Also utilize the benefits of the cross. There is a number of possibilities. New Hampshire x Barred Rocks or Delaware, Reds x Light Sussex etc. The offspring make better dual purpose birds than the commercial hybrids. That is if the parents have good size and type. Of course the parents being good layers of big eggs would be important.

Regardless of the purpose, well bred birds are still the goal.

High Station~ yes! this is the term I've been struggling to find. I really really like a bird with high station. It adds a certain something to them. I'm paying attention to type while looking at photos and am beginning to see past patterns and color but have begun to realize how beautiful uniform type versus uniform color is.

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Another comment on type. When it comes to pure breeds, I admire good type. Even in production birds, a pure breed should have good type. A mixed breed should have good laying type etc. A flock of well bred birds have consistency concerning type. Production birds do not necessarily have to be as refined concerning color. They should still have good type.
I have a couple old photos of some utility light Sussex on pasture. Their color is not bad, but not necessarily for exhibition. They do have excellent type, and better type than many exhibition birds. If I was to judge between the two, I would certainly have to choose the former.
Reminds me of the Jersey dairy herds in my neighborhood. They are all Jerseys, but bred for production, not the county fair. Coloring differs, head shape, size...but they all have nicely set udders and the frame of a high producing dairy cow.
 
I don't know if this has been put out there yet but:

http://hcfarm.com/A History Worth Repeating.htm

Everybody has a starting point. I have Basque eggs coming in this week along with Coronation Sussex. Both are good sized birds. The sussex has gotten a bad rap lately because the specled versions from the hatcheries are so small. I want something that can produce excellent taste and this may be my ticket.
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I don't know if this has been put out there yet but:

http://hcfarm.com/A History Worth Repeating.htm

Everybody has a starting point. I have Basque eggs coming in this week along with Coronation Sussex. Both are good sized birds. The sussex has gotten a bad rap lately because the specled versions from the hatcheries are so small. I want something that can produce excellent taste and this may be my ticket.
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Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.
 
I don't know if this has been put out there yet but:

http://hcfarm.com/A History Worth Repeating.htm

Everybody has a starting point. I have Basque eggs coming in this week along with Coronation Sussex. Both are good sized birds. The sussex has gotten a bad rap lately because the specled versions from the hatcheries are so small. I want something that can produce excellent taste and this may be my ticket.
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I love my SS-- they are not up to par but I love them anyways and truly wonder how they became the forgooten and neglected step child of the sussex. I did have 1 lt sussex in my batch of shiped BCM chicks,a nd that chick out grew everything I had ever experience. Really opened my eyes as to how p oor much of the stock has become. As I remember in THE SUSSEX, been a while, the SS is a bit smaller than the others because well they are actually unrelated!

Mine are great foragers and easy on the food bill as long as there is no snow cover. THey really hustle.
 
I apologize for missing the opportunity to welcome any new comer !!

I often skip over many posts because of the relatively new mechanics of the site. Used to be able to respond to a post , submit it and go back to the location of the original post-- no more!! SO I get lost easily. Hard to change old habits. I would need to write down the post number before quoting-- what a drag-- in the end, I just don't post as much lol, or unfortunately totally miss out on a page or two of posts.

SO my sincerest apologees.
 

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