BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

[Arielle]

Quote: George what I removed was that in horses all the mare owners can only g=breed to the selected stallions to make improvement-- no one is isoliated in theis method. SO if someone has a good cock bird, with some money most people could get some of that bloodline. Long ago the production of these heritage birds as food animals meant bloodlines were passed around a lot. Now a days we are isolated breeders of chickens but in fact would benefit greatly by creating a network of like minded breeders of that particular breed.

Which is why I am going witht he spiral or rotational method in the buckeyes, as I can minimize the effect of my errors in the early years, and have several resources to reach out to for both advice and stock.

 

[ronott1]

George what I removed was that in horses all the mare owners can only g=breed to the selected stallions to make improvement-- no one is isoliated in theis method. SO if someone has a good cock bird, with some money most people could get some of that bloodline. Long ago the production of these heritage birds as food animals meant bloodlines were passed around a lot. Now a days we are isolated breeders of chickens but in fact would benefit greatly by creating a network of like minded breeders of that particular breed.

Which is why I am going witht he spiral or rotational method in the buckeyes, as I can minimize the effect of my errors in the early years, and have several resources to reach out to for both advice and stock.

One thing to remember is that Cock birds lose their fertility quickly after the first year. I wonder how many with low fertility are using two year old Males for breeding?

 

[seventreesfarm]

One thing to remember is that Cock birds lose their fertility quickly after the first year. I wonder how many with low fertility are using two year old Males for breeding?

Good to know!
Now I don't feel so bad rotating out my roos sooner than later.
I'm sending a few off to auction Monday and looking forward to seeing who replaces them for next season.

 

[Arielle]

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NOr the 6 months of hard training and another 1.5 years to be grow up, lol

I was disappointed when I was told the average rottie lives 10 years, and when my pup was very young perhaps about 1, her father had already died at 6 years old and the year later the mother was diagnosed with cancer. I had fed my girl well on farm fresh eggs ( from my farrier) and a high quality dog food that I ordered on line. SHe died just short of her 13th birthday. SO TUrk-- fed that puppy well . . .

 

[LindaB220]

Since you brought up prepotency...

Have you read "The Call of the Hen" by Hogan? I have just finished with it and love the pictures for evaluation. It was written so long ago I'm not sure if everything he describes is still considered accurate. I don't have a mentor nearby so I was going to assess my birds using his method. If most of it is still valid then it would save me from having to trap nest.

He discusses prepotency as related to head/skull size and shape? Is this something you find to hold true? I have read a number of times on here about wanting larger heads (most notably from Fred's Hens).

MK

And it's free:

https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Walter_Hogan_The_Call_of_the_Hen?id=PCkuAAAAYAAJ

 

[LindaB220]

That will be fairly easy with two of us working with him. We will likely have to get one of those military spec crates because I know a lady who shows Rottweilers and when one of her females is in heat, she really has no crate that will hold her stud dog...he just 'King Kongs' his way out and manages to get through doors to the female. He has been known to eat through wooden doors in less that a couple hours

. I can't imagine having a female around but you really can't control what comes down the road!!

and this dog should be far more powerful than even such a power house like a Rottie!!!

It should be easy to teach him where to potty but a bit mre difficult convincing him not to move the furniture around.

Beekissed has a great way to train them. Something like holding their collars by the coop and if they are interested in the chickens, she says no. After doing this daily for a while they tend to ignore the chickens. I'm sure she could explain it better.

 

[seventreesfarm]

NOr the 6 months of hard training and another 1.5 years to be grow up, lol

I was disappointed when I was told the average rottie lives 10 years, and when my pup was very young perhaps about 1, her father had already died at 6 years old and the year later the mother was diagnosed with cancer. I had fed my girl well on farm fresh eggs ( from my farrier) and a high quality dog food that I ordered on line. SHe died just short of her 13th birthday. SO TUrk-- fed that puppy well . . .

We're bringing home our rott girl on tuesday. Hoping she will learn some about leaving the chickens alone by watching the older dogs. "Leave it" will probably be the first thing she learns.

 

[seventreesfarm]

And it's free:

https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Walter_Hogan_The_Call_of_the_Hen?id=PCkuAAAAYAAJ

Archive.org has a lot of the old poultry books available in different formats. It takes a little keyword or author searching, but there is a lot to choose from. Here is my search for "poultry" sorted by number of downloads per title. I have a bunch of these loaded in the kindle app on my ipad. https://archive.org/search.php?query=poultry AND mediatype:texts&sort=-downloads

 

[LindaB220]

Archive.org has a lot of the old poultry books available in different formats. It takes a little keyword or author searching, but there is a lot to choose from. Here is my search for "poultry" sorted by number of downloads per title. I have a bunch of these loaded in the kindle app on my ipad. https://archive.org/search.php?query=poultry AND mediatype:texts&sort=-downloads

Thank you. Got the site bookmarked.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Leave it was my most used command . . . along with a dozen others. WELL worth training any dog. We lost our house insurance when I bought my show rottie pup-- had to change to farm insurance. ANd include hand signals-- if far away ( or go deaf in old age) they can understand your commands. My rottie girls was the smartest most obedient dog-- sure hope you have a good one too. I'm opting out of rotties for my next dog . . . the bad rep has totally made the roties to be bad dogs. My girl was a love and changed a few people minds about the rottie. My rotties were happy to kill any chicken that tresspassed ( fly over a 6 foot fence and it would be dead in short order-- hence the lock on the gate to keep out stupid people sho don't understand the basics of territory. I could pull out a dog and a terrifying watch dog became a pussy cat and plodded around checking out the chickens and cats. Love the rotties!! Saw a few nice ones at a show a few monthes ago and boy those dogs make my heart go pitter- patter.

Definitely spend a lot of time sociallizing your girl: car rides, parking lots, old people, young people. My girl did a lot of training in group sessions and a few dog shows. Great experience for a rottie. Sometimes went to live with the breeder as needed.

As for the boys-- my boys were fixed, so other than chewing a stair tread and eating at huge hole in the dry wall . . . . my boys were good!!