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[hellbender]

I like American Bulldogs. I was talking about American Bullys. They're a new breed, often crossed with pitbulls. Actually they look like pits crossed with English bulldogs. The dog in question reminded me a little of them, but with better proportions.

Do you mean the 'Olde English Bulldoggue'? developed by a fella in Mass?...(I think)?

Dave Leavitt (one founder of the OEBulldoggue) used to attend ARBA dog shows about 10 or 12 years ago. Those are nice dogs with far fewer health issues than the standard English or for that matter, the American Bulldog. Too much hip and other problems that Dave L. helped eradicate, at least for a while...haven't kept up on it.

 

[Ifish]

They're getting popular now. A lot of people give them tons of vitamin supplements to make them look tough, but really it makes them look deformed with odd proportions. Without all that added stuff they seem like okay dogs.

I'll read up o them. Are they for the "sled pulling" "strong dog" crowd?

The johnson type are always hyped and should be a separate breed at this point from the Scott type. Both johnson and scott type are often bred together for a "dual" type. It's upsetting to me, but not really a bad thing.

 

[HeritageGoose13]

There are so many bulldog breeds and varieties and crosses. I don't know much about the Leavitt dogs, but recently learned about them and like what I have heard. I have never owned one however.

American Bullys are short, stout dogs. They look like a pit bull head on a small bulldog body. That is probably how they originated, crosses between the two. Actually, I'm pretty sure a lot of very expensive "American Bullies" are nothing more than that, a cross between the two. Some of them look more like the bulldog with practically no muzzle, but I don't like those. They look like toads.

I'll read up o them. Are they for the "sled pulling" "strong dog" crowd?

They are very big in weight pulling. Not sure they would have the endurance to pull a sled, some of them have short muzzles. But they are very muscular. I think a lot of people get them to look tough, so they have a bad reputation because of that. However many people absolutely adore them.

 

[hellbender]

Discussing Farm/Working Dogs... Falls right into the parameters of this thread. Few machines are as helpful to a farmer than a good working stock dog....no matter if the dog is moving cattle or swine or.....keeping chickens out of trouble!!! That's not a really easy job...dog or no dog, unless they are strapped in and baddoned down. I want my birds to get some fresh air and sunshine....with dogs there to protect them, their lives are far safer, unless the dogs are given too much trust before thay earned it...

 

[Ifish]

There are so many bulldog breeds and varieties and crosses. I don't know much about the Leavitt dogs, but recently learned about them and like what I have heard. I have never owned one however.

American Bullys are short, stout dogs. They look like a pit bull head on a small bulldog body. That is probably how they originated, crosses between the two. Actually, I'm pretty sure a lot of very expensive "American Bullies" are nothing more than that, a cross between the two. Some of them look more like the bulldog with practically no muzzle, but I don't like those. They look like toads.

They are very big in weight pulling. Not sure they would have the endurance to pull a sled, some of them have short muzzles. But they are very muscular. I think a lot of people get them to look tough, so they have a bad reputation because of that. However many people absolutely adore them.

Thanks. By sled I meant weights. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Ifish]

Thanks. By sled I meant weights. Sorry for the confusion.

We have Airedales on grams' cattle farm. They control all varmints, and actually help with running the cattle through the gates to get them into the trailers.

For My farm we are looking at American Bulldogs and Bouviers. Looking for an all around farm dog that can go jogging with the wife to. I'll still have a good lab and pointer as well to help provide food for the table.

 

[hellbender]

Thanks. By sled I meant weights. Sorry for the confusion.

Just this point...I think "American Bullies" are Pitbulls crossed with Irish Staffs...that's what they look like to me, from front to rear.

Pics of Irish Staff terriers.

http://www.vetstreet.com/dogs/staffordshire-bull-terrier

 

[gevshiba]

Well you are correct too...the tails were docked short to prevent them getting caught in spokes...etc but some were just 'tipped' or cht half way to insure the tax benefits.

Darn...yet another edit: I have serious doubts that Ike has any
American Bully in him because he is just too agile. I've seen 'American Bullys" and I love them but they are just too muscle bound and liable to lay around...unlike the American Pitbull that will spin like a top and land on one foot if it wants too. Great breed of dogs...perhaps the greatest but I couldn't use them around here due to their proclivities to dog on dog violence. Ike, what ever his true 'pedigree', and even at a tender age is not happy to see or be near any other dogs....not even the females..of course, he hasn't been close enough to our bitcheeees to scent them and as far as I know, none are in season now.

My first thought on Ike's picture was Staffy Bull mix. They are extremely agile. I considered one for agility, but all the breed legislation drama was too much for me. Staffy Bulls are getting very popular in flyball. They make great height dogs, with their smaller size, and they are really fast. They are the new big thing in crossing with Border Collies to create Border Staffies. Border Whipps are also getting popular in flyball. I don't compete in flyball. Too much travel and noise. I'll stick with agility.

 

[Beer can]

Chocolate Lab we used to have played fetch with the chickens, he would catch and bring them to me, "Bad dog bad!" never hurt them, but I don't think they enjoyed it.

 

[hellbender]

My first thought on Ike's picture was Staffy Bull mix. They are extremely agile. I considered one for agility, but all the breed legislation drama was too much for me. Staffy Bulls are getting very popular in flyball. They make great height dogs, with their smaller size, and they are really fast. They are the new big thing in crossing with Border Collies to create Border Staffies. Border Whipps are also getting popular in flyball. I don't compete in flyball. Too much travel and noise. I'll stick with agility.

Several years ago, I had a Lurcher...half Pitbull/half Track Greyhound. He was the lead dog (literally) in our bear pack.