BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

Works for me, George. I figure if they aren't laying every day or every other day when all birds should be laying at their peak, then they most likely won't be laying well at other times of the year either....and that has proven true for me time and again. There shouldn't be anything during that time to delay an egg unless it's illness or hormone issues, both of which I cull for, so that gets those birds out of the flock as well.

Short sighted? Maybe to you. To me it's a practical solution to a problem of deciding who to cull or tag for culling without investing in a trap nest setup and trapping those poor birds in a box each day for who knows how long so I can get "accurate" counts for a whole year on each bird. I'm just not set up for that, nor will I ever be, so I have to use methods that work. Also, my free rangers will often not lay if confined to a pen and will pace nervously for days until they are returned to the flock, then will resume laying...can't imagine what being confined to a trap nest would to the poor things.

Unless you've actually applied the method and seen that it doesn't work, you have no hands on experience about it at all, but just more theory. Lot's of theory. I have hands on experience with it over years of use and find it shows me which are the best layers each and every time. Since I don't often cull at the time I tag, but much later in the fall, the birds have all spring and summer in which to prove their laying or lack thereof. Each time that happens, I'm not a bit surprised that those tagged birds pretty much are crappy layers the rest of the year as well. If they are still crappy layers in spring, summer and fall, there's really no reason to feed them all winter to get that full year's worth of evaluation. For me it's held true year after year...a crappy layer in March/April will continue to be a crappy layer all the way to fall culling.
 
So does this hen need to be kissed first or does she like a surprise?
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No kisses but I give sweety talk and gentle hands while doing this kind of work, moving slow and easy for all things. That's about as good as a kiss, ain't it?
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Personally, of course I do not plan on being a commercial seller of eggs, just do not want random or non layers, the egg trap method seems a little impractical for myself or anyone else that has a full time job. Right now I know my best layers because I only have a dozen or so and they all lay different colors, I know what they lay and can see it. I do not plan on keeping any of them much longer once the giants and sussex come into lay. Well maybe two, I have a couple excellent laying EE.
My main focus is for meat, but I do not want to keep any random laying or non laying around, not raising pets. I will have to look at a different method for finding the best layers other than color of eggs when I have only giants and sussex. DD wants to be a vet, I'll help give her some experience, one with Bee's method of selecting actual layers, and two I will have her helping with caponizing all extra cockerels next yr, if she wants to of course.
 
Yeah, part of the reason I'm probably not going to add meat rabbits this winter as originally planned is that the place where I was going to put their housing is now filled with TOOLS!!!!
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You could always try housing rabbits above your chickens in a stacking method. From what I've read it's supposed to work really well if you also utilize the deep litter method in the coop. It's an efficient use of space and allows those beloved power tools to keep their home. Power tools need love too.
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You could always try housing rabbits above your chickens in a stacking method. From what I've read it's supposed to work really well if you also utilize the deep litter method in the coop. It's an efficient use of space and allows those beloved power tools to keep their home. Power tools need love too.
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I did something like that this spring and summer with my rabbit hutches to clean out the weeds around them. I fenced off the area and put the 40 chickens at the time in there. Within two weeks there was nothing around the hutches and they even ate the loose rabbit feed that fell on the ground. I would highly suggest taking DesertChic advise if possible and they loved the rabbit area.
 
You could always try housing rabbits above your chickens in a stacking method. From what I've read it's supposed to work really well if you also utilize the deep litter method in the coop. It's an efficient use of space and allows those beloved power tools to keep their home. Power tools need love too.
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I have heard/read something like that from Joel Salatin as well. But I had decided I didn't want to have them outdoors and fight the fight with regard to temperature - bucks will go sterile in heat (the temperature quoted is usually about 85F where they begin to be affected). It's over 85F sometimes in DECEMBER here. And it gets really really hot (rabbit killing hot) here in summer. So I had a non-living space that was still temperature controlled I was going to use. (There's a reason I'm raising Naked Necks!), But yeah, tools.

But it's not JUST that. I've got my hands full with the chickens, not sure I'm quite ready to rush into another type of husbandry yet...

- Ant Farm
 
Has anyone thought about trying to breed for Mareks disease resistance? It's a disease I've noticed in the literature for years but have never really paid attention to. I guess it just never seemed important with a small flock of layers... other than to get the vaccine whenever ordering chicks. Now that I'm looking at committing time and resources to a specific breed it seems a bit more important. I've read there are breeds and strains with more resistance and there is a B21 (I think that's it) gene that provides some resistance to Mareks. Does anyone know of chicken breeds or particular lines that tend to be more resistant or that carry that gene? Also does anyone know of a company able to test for that gene? I've done a few Google searches which mainly turn up highly technical stuff from universities but not much practical info.
 
By the way, I just started my first breeder pen yesterday. It's framed up, and I'll start working out details of how to arrange the equipment, doors, etc. the next time I can work on it. Basically it's a 4'X8' chicken tractor and will integrate into my raised bed garden. The garden is made up of 32 boxes the same size as the pens and the pens will fit directly on top of the boxes. Each pen will shift down the row as crops finish and need cleaning up. There are Easter Eggers in the brooder to test run this system, so it will be ready to receive Dorkings in the spring. If this first pen works, my garden is big enough to handle 8 breeding pens without cutting into my vegetable production. I'm pretty excited to get all this started. It's the first concrete step in my Christmas Capon project. For the last twenty years my layers have been based in a large, communal coop and a moving egg-mobile built out of an old horse trailer. I never had any kind of setup for breeding. Wish me luck.
 

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