"Breeding mutts worsens the poultry hobby for everyone"???

[BrattishTaz]

Quote:
Ya but your not selling those so it doesn't matter.

Neither was the OP.

I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO

 

[Moochie]

It's something I would have to look into for the future.. Hmm, they'd be mutts themselves but if I ever got the color to stay, what would I call it? Burgundy what? Depends where the color would have come from....
I just thought of mottled burgundy. T.T

 

[gritsar]

Quote:
Neither was the OP.

I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO

Oh I know what you're after Taz. You're just trying to butter me up so I'll sell you some of my fabulous trahma eggs for hatching. Keep dreaming.

 

[JulieNKC]

I like heritage breeds and all, but if no one ever mixed breeds we wouldn't have new breeds, or varieties. Isn't that how most breeds started anyway? Someone breeding their chickens for what characteristics THEY wanted? Why should I have to have the same breed and breed towards the same thing as someone else?
I also like not having the same chicken as everyone else. My mutts are unique, I'm not trying to pass them off as anything but mutts, and I like them. If anyone else doesn't like them I'm not forcing them to own one, so

on them.
And where on earth would I get a roo that looked like this if I didn't make my own? I like my funky looking boy. He has a funny half single half v comb (half la fleche)I am looking for a turken pullet to breed him to.

 

[DTchickens]

Quote:
Neither was the OP.

I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO

Yeah, it is mainly the issue of dishonesty that I think comes into mind when serious breeders think of mutts. For example, as someone involved with Oriental games which are already difficult to find ones worth breeding to begin with, someone will get birds that may end up being crossed and peddle them off onto unsuspecting beginners. "They should of knew the birds they were buying." true, but most people don't even consider that they can't trust someone claiming to have a pure breed that they've bred for years and years when they first begin.

It is also a issue I think, of show poultry breeders whether they admit it or not, that many of them can't help but to despise "designer breeds." For example, I can spend 20 years selecting, breeding, caring, etc. For my fowl, and I could look at them as highly prized fowl, I've worked hard to get them to the status they are; and then someone comes along who has NEVER put any more work into the birds than buying them from a flea market and tossing it in a pen to proclaim, "I've got some Alabama Blues!" And such a case is usually only done to increase the money value, when it is not a pure breed and is misleading.

So someone buys the birds, takes them home, goes to BYC and wants to see if anyone else has heard of them; at which point someone sees the photo and says "Why, it looks like a Andalusian to me." "Wow! My bird really does look like a Andalusian." "Maybe the guy didn't know and just called them Alabama blues?" or perhaps the guy just never told this certain individual they were Alabama blues so the person posts on BYC to see what they are.

Well, then you have them accepting Andalusian blue as the breed name for them, they sell them as that and people trust their honesty because the person may fully believe they are Andalusian's though they may carry as little as 1/4 of that blood; they then sell to a beginner just getting started and again repeat the process of ruining the beginners time and money only to find out later they are not or the blood may be integrated into show quality stock only to ruin it.

I say ruin it, because after awhile, traits will begin to show up. The OEGB in America for example, look at how many low winged, white ear-lobed, brown eyed, etc. Birds are abundantly sold as OEGB when they don't even resemble exactly what a OEGB should- primarily because of the Rosecomb, probably Dutch, Japanese bantam blood, etc. Was added.

If honest, I have no problems with mutts. I like some of them, have bred some of them as well. But I gotta say, designer dogs still irk me and I'm not even a dog breeder. For example, I know someone who had their Pomeranian cross with their Toy (believe it was a Toy) Poodle, and they're so glad they've got "Pomapoo's!" The dog is not a breed, it is a f1 MUTT, and is nowhere near worth 600 dollars and preying upon the lack of common sense in America is mean. However, if you're honest I don't have a problem.

I don't have much problem with someone creating their own breed, as in, if you had a goal set and selected for characteristics to create your own breed, go right ahead. But don't cross it once and call it a "breed." It's not a breed, it is a cross. Varieties, I am also somewhat against, depending on how it is done. Say for example, I wanted a black Brahma, I wouldn't deem it unfit to find a black Malay (which I believe is part of their heritage) and cross it in for numerous generations to set the color in place and making it look like a Brahma in every aspect.

But I would not feel right breeding a black Silkie, or maybe a Sumatra or something, into the Brahma and still calling it a Brahma. Each to their own though, I'll breed what I want how I see fit, you can do whatsoever you want and I never have a issue with it if you're honest.

God bless,
Daniel.

 

[exop]

I can see a point where mutts *might* be a problem for a pure breed... in that when you have mutt birds crossed back to a pure breed you sometimes get birds that look *almost* like the pure breed - to an undiscerning eye.

I have some crossbred chicks on my hands right now that I don't know what to do with. They look alarmingly like Mottled Houdans... and were produced when a Mottled Houdan cockerel paid an unauthorized visit to a breeding pen where an F1 x F1 Houdan cross hen, and a rooster from another breed, were supposed to be helping me with a mottled project. They have the Houdan 5 toes, the crest, beard, mottled pattern, quick feathering, shape, behavior, and skin color. The combs are very close, just a couple of genes away from spot on: one has a bifurcated single comb (suppressing the front of the comb would result in a "V"comb), and the other has a lumpy rose comb with a suppressed front (getting rid of the rose comb gene would likely result in a "V"comb). Houdans are a rare breed which have already been screwed up enough by reckless crossbreeding... I had assumed I could get all my unwanted chicks adopted out as fun mystery chickens but these 2 are problematic. They are just close enough that I suspect they could pass for shítty, shítty Houdans (and at that, probably better Houdans than the McMurray ones I had years ago). After leaving my custody, there's no guarantee that they or their descendants would not wind up in the hands of someone who sincerely believed them to be Houdans and sold their offspring as such. So although I really don't want them, I feel like I should hold on to them.

Best - exop

 

[bustermommy]

Quote:
I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO

Yeah, it is mainly the issue of dishonesty that I think comes into mind when serious breeders think of mutts. For example, as someone involved with Oriental games which are already difficult to find ones worth breeding to begin with, someone will get birds that may end up being crossed and peddle them off onto unsuspecting beginners. "They should of knew the birds they were buying." true, but most people don't even consider that they can't trust someone claiming to have a pure breed that they've bred for years and years when they first begin.

It is also a issue I think, of show poultry breeders whether they admit it or not, that many of them can't help but to despise "designer breeds." For example, I can spend 20 years selecting, breeding, caring, etc. For my fowl, and I could look at them as highly prized fowl, I've worked hard to get them to the status they are; and then someone comes along who has NEVER put any more work into the birds than buying them from a flea market and tossing it in a pen to proclaim, "I've got some Alabama Blues!" And such a case is usually only done to increase the money value, when it is not a pure breed and is misleading.

So someone buys the birds, takes them home, goes to BYC and wants to see if anyone else has heard of them; at which point someone sees the photo and says "Why, it looks like a Andalusian to me." "Wow! My bird really does look like a Andalusian." "Maybe the guy didn't know and just called them Alabama blues?" or perhaps the guy just never told this certain individual they were Alabama blues so the person posts on BYC to see what they are.

Well, then you have them accepting Andalusian blue as the breed name for them, they sell them as that and people trust their honesty because the person may fully believe they are Andalusian's though they may carry as little as 1/4 of that blood; they then sell to a beginner just getting started and again repeat the process of ruining the beginners time and money only to find out later they are not or the blood may be integrated into show quality stock only to ruin it.

I say ruin it, because after awhile, traits will begin to show up. The OEGB in America for example, look at how many low winged, white ear-lobed, brown eyed, etc. Birds are abundantly sold as OEGB when they don't even resemble exactly what a OEGB should- primarily because of the Rosecomb, probably Dutch, Japanese bantam blood, etc. Was added.

If honest, I have no problems with mutts. I like some of them, have bred some of them as well. But I gotta say, designer dogs still irk me and I'm not even a dog breeder. For example, I know someone who had their Pomeranian cross with their Toy (believe it was a Toy) Poodle, and they're so glad they've got "Pomapoo's!" The dog is not a breed, it is a f1 MUTT, and is nowhere near worth 600 dollars and preying upon the lack of common sense in America is mean. However, if you're honest I don't have a problem.

I don't have much problem with someone creating their own breed, as in, if you had a goal set and selected for characteristics to create your own breed, go right ahead. But don't cross it once and call it a "breed." It's not a breed, it is a cross. Varieties, I am also somewhat against, depending on how it is done. Say for example, I wanted a black Brahma, I wouldn't deem it unfit to find a black Malay (which I believe is part of their heritage) and cross it in for numerous generations to set the color in place and making it look like a Brahma in every aspect.

But I would not feel right breeding a black Silkie, or maybe a Sumatra or something, into the Brahma and still calling it a Brahma. Each to their own though, I'll breed what I want how I see fit, you can do whatsoever you want and I never have a issue with it if you're honest.

God bless,
Daniel.

x2
I read a lot on here, and elsewhere, about people paying more because something is purebred only to find out it's not. I have nothing against mutts, I have some. I have a lot against cheating, lying, dishonest people. And, oh please, give me a break, a labradoodle is a crossbreed, not a premium breed worth $1500.

I obviously have more issues with dogs than chickens.

 

[Patricia Jane]

Can you imagine how boring this world would be if we all did the exact same thing as everone else? I'm glad I do my own thing and enjoy my life and all my mutts and pure breeds. Mutts are unique, original, creative, characteristic and different. I love being different. However, the guy sure gave us a good topic to comment on.

 

[exop]

Quote:
X2! Posted while I was mid-composition, looks like we have the same concerns!

 

[DTchickens]

Quote:
Yeah, it is mainly the issue of dishonesty that I think comes into mind when serious breeders think of mutts. For example, as someone involved with Oriental games which are already difficult to find ones worth breeding to begin with, someone will get birds that may end up being crossed and peddle them off onto unsuspecting beginners. "They should of knew the birds they were buying." true, but most people don't even consider that they can't trust someone claiming to have a pure breed that they've bred for years and years when they first begin.

It is also a issue I think, of show poultry breeders whether they admit it or not, that many of them can't help but to despise "designer breeds." For example, I can spend 20 years selecting, breeding, caring, etc. For my fowl, and I could look at them as highly prized fowl, I've worked hard to get them to the status they are; and then someone comes along who has NEVER put any more work into the birds than buying them from a flea market and tossing it in a pen to proclaim, "I've got some Alabama Blues!" And such a case is usually only done to increase the money value, when it is not a pure breed and is misleading.

So someone buys the birds, takes them home, goes to BYC and wants to see if anyone else has heard of them; at which point someone sees the photo and says "Why, it looks like a Andalusian to me." "Wow! My bird really does look like a Andalusian." "Maybe the guy didn't know and just called them Alabama blues?" or perhaps the guy just never told this certain individual they were Alabama blues so the person posts on BYC to see what they are.

Well, then you have them accepting Andalusian blue as the breed name for them, they sell them as that and people trust their honesty because the person may fully believe they are Andalusian's though they may carry as little as 1/4 of that blood; they then sell to a beginner just getting started and again repeat the process of ruining the beginners time and money only to find out later they are not or the blood may be integrated into show quality stock only to ruin it.

I say ruin it, because after awhile, traits will begin to show up. The OEGB in America for example, look at how many low winged, white ear-lobed, brown eyed, etc. Birds are abundantly sold as OEGB when they don't even resemble exactly what a OEGB should- primarily because of the Rosecomb, probably Dutch, Japanese bantam blood, etc. Was added.

If honest, I have no problems with mutts. I like some of them, have bred some of them as well. But I gotta say, designer dogs still irk me and I'm not even a dog breeder. For example, I know someone who had their Pomeranian cross with their Toy (believe it was a Toy) Poodle, and they're so glad they've got "Pomapoo's!" The dog is not a breed, it is a f1 MUTT, and is nowhere near worth 600 dollars and preying upon the lack of common sense in America is mean. However, if you're honest I don't have a problem.

I don't have much problem with someone creating their own breed, as in, if you had a goal set and selected for characteristics to create your own breed, go right ahead. But don't cross it once and call it a "breed." It's not a breed, it is a cross. Varieties, I am also somewhat against, depending on how it is done. Say for example, I wanted a black Brahma, I wouldn't deem it unfit to find a black Malay (which I believe is part of their heritage) and cross it in for numerous generations to set the color in place and making it look like a Brahma in every aspect.

But I would not feel right breeding a black Silkie, or maybe a Sumatra or something, into the Brahma and still calling it a Brahma. Each to their own though, I'll breed what I want how I see fit, you can do whatsoever you want and I never have a issue with it if you're honest.

God bless,
Daniel.

x2
I read a lot on here, and elsewhere, about people paying more because something is purebred only to find out it's not. I have nothing against mutts, I have some. I have a lot against cheating, lying, dishonest people. And, oh please, give me a break, a labradoodle is a crossbreed, not a premium breed worth $1500.

I obviously have more issues with dogs than chickens.

People pay a lot of cash for those Pomachi's and Labradoodles, I know someone who probably got them for free (or she may of paid a small rehoming fee) from the pound. Just isn't something I can quite grasp

.