Breeding splash to non bbs colors? (Seramas)

[WVduckchick]

With the rooster, it's white that just didn't molt out. Not caused by a specific color gene, might be nutritional or some sort of random mutation. The hen is mottled.

Also mottling except for the last one. That looks like birchen with dark brown removing the black from the chest and allow the silver ground color show.
There are only 4 genes that will strip pigment producing white. They are dominant white, recessive white, mottling, and barring/cuckoo. Barring is dominant, mottling is recessive.

These 2 are young, what do you expect will happen with them? They are showing the brown around the hackles already.

 

[Bunnylady]

what would this be? (other than horrible in type, I mean)

(BTW, WV, I love the mottled hen in your second pic)!

 

[junebuggena]

These 2 are young, what do you expect will happen with them? They are showing the brown around the hackles already.
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Brown Red (same as birchen but gold base color instead of silver) with mottling.

 

[junebuggena]

what would this be? (other than horrible in type, I mean)
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(BTW, WV, I love the mottled hen in your second pic)!

Guessing silver base colored bird with mottling. Not sure what other pattern genetics are going on with that one.

 

[WVduckchick]

what would this be? (other than horrible in type, I mean)
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(BTW, WV, I love the mottled hen in your second pic)!

I like her coloring. I'm actually considering a pen of only black/white. I don't know if they will breed only black/white offspring, but I'm trying to learn. :lol

That hen earned the name Carrie that day. She was sitting on eggs with another hen and the other hen decided to run her off. She was not happy!! Lol

 

[WVduckchick]

Brown Red (same as birchen but gold base color instead of silver) with mottling.

Ok thanks. I think that tells me who the father is. Appreciate your help.

Sorry @bullets for hijacking the thread.

 

[bullets]

Ok thanks. I think that tells me who the father is. Appreciate your help.

Sorry @bullets for hijacking the thread.

Hey no problem at all! I quite enjoy reading through.

Plus I've been taking individual pics of my Serama Chicks!

Will be posting in just a moment!

 

[bullets]

Okay, so, I've been reading to see if it is completely out of the question that the hens were still carrying sperm from their previous cockerel. Let me restate the cockerel issue:

I have a Splash Cock covering my Black and my Silver Ginger hens. They laid (first eggs started June 15th) sat (went broody June 27th) and successfully hatched 9 chicks. They have no access to any other cock. The problem is the chicks they hatched aren't all blue!
The last cockerel (black tailed red) that had access to the hens was in mid February mid March (I just went back through my texts to verify). This first cockerel was taken by a predator and 2 of my girls got away. They were stressed to the point they immediately stopped laying eggs and did not resume until mid June. 3 months, no eggs.

So either:
1) Serama genetics are as mixed up and can surprise you as much as everyone says they will
2) One or both of my hens successfully stored and utilized first cockerels sperm and hatched a few of his offspring.
or
3) All the chicks have some variation of blue expressed in them

Let me post some pics of each chick for you guys to look at and tell me what you think colorwise. I was thinking I for sure have 1 black and 2 blues, but the one that I think is black is looking like a really dark blue to me. I'll let you be the judge.

Chick #1

Chicks #2 and #3 They're black and white, but the more I look, the more I think it's blue and white. Is that possible?

Chick#4

Chick #5 BLACK?

Chick #6 BLUE

Chick #7 BLUE

Chick #8

I have a pic of the 9th chick in the start of the thread. Apparently it's a duckwing.


Anyhow...is it possible all of these are expressing blue, even though they aren't solid blue? Like how blue wheatens are blue wheatens. Maybe these are blue...something or others?

Nonetheless, could any of you give me your opinion of the colors these chicks might develop into?

 

[bullets]

The idea that these hens may have hatched chicks from a cock from 3 months prior really has me in a mood to test this theory.. They broody girls are in their own cage in the garage and have been since July 24th. When the girls start laying again I will notate the first day of laying and the last day of collection on my calender. I will also mark each egg individually. ie "1st B" "1st Br" B-Black Br-Brown and so on. I don't know when they will start laying again but I will assume it will be less than 3 months, so I'll be incubating in batches. The first batch of eggs will go in the bator, properly marked and notated. Then will collect eggs for another 5 days. Those eggs will be properly marked and notated and so on and so on until:
1) the eggs gathered stop developing consistently in the incubator
2) I reach the 3 month mark (don't think this will happen) IF I did continue to find eggs developing past the 3 month mark, I will continue until it stops.

I'm pretty excited about this. This is the best time to test as the variables will be as close to the original event as possible. A disruption in egg laying, (in this case because of broodiness) and a time of separation from the cock.

 

[junebuggena]

#4 and #8 both definitely have the Blue gene. Most of them need to feather in more to determine if they are dark blue or black.