Breeding White split to lavender with Lavender

[Pandang81]

So I spoke to the breeder and she has been wonderful with information about all of her pens & always spot on with her information about her pens. For this pen I asked her about the history of the lavender roo & the history of the white roo and the history of the white & paint hens. . I’m confused. Here is what she said.

“I've hatched everyone and the three generations before them. Before that I bought eggs on eBay for lots of different people. It's been years though and I didn't keep records then.

The white rooster could have two copies of recessive white. I say that because neither of his parents are white, both are unrelated blacks. His black mom came from a paint pen & his black dad came from an all black split lavender pen.
one or both also carries the LAV gene. I'm wondering if one or both are also carrying an additional inhibitor gene that haven't been able to identify. Regarding the hens in this pen, they are frizzle white and the paint hens came from a group that had a white frizzle Satin rooster - I still have him and he now has exactly one black feather - so perhaps he only has one copy of dominant white. The females in his breeding group were a paint silkie and two black silkies. The white frizzle in #4 could have just one copy of dominant white, which would mean she's actually paint and just hiding her black like dad, or she could have two copies of dominant white - one from dad and one from mom if her mom was the paint hen. A while back I was asking in the self blue silkie Facebook page about the blacks having white offspring. A couple people were adamant that black can't carry any except black...but but but.... I have these white... I was reading about an additional inhibitor gene and was wondering if they could carry it, but I couldn't find an answer. It's all hard to say exactly with that group because the white roo could be white because he carries two copies of recessive white, or he could actually be a black bird with one copy of dominant white and just displays the white only... That seems unlikely though.

The lavender roo could also be the father & you could have some paint chicks that spots will come later. He's actually a black bird , and if he mates with the paint girls in this pen they'd make more paints.”

@nicalandia can you provide insight?

 

[NatJ]

So I spoke to the breeder and she has been wonderful with information about all of her pens & always spot on with her information about her pens. For this pen I asked her about the history of the lavender roo & the history of the white roo and the history of the white & paint hens. . I’m confused. Here is what she said.

That's definitely a lot to wade through!

The white rooster could have two copies of recessive white. I say that because neither of his parents are white, both are unrelated blacks. His black mom came from a paint pen & his black dad came from an all black split lavender pen. one or both also carries the LAV gene.

If the white rooster had two black parents, he most likely does have recessive white.
And it sounds like he might carry the lavender gene, but might not, and we just will not know unless he produces lavender offspring (which would prove he does carry lavender.)

Regarding the hens in this pen, they are frizzle white and the paint hens came from a group that had a white frizzle Satin rooster - I still have him and he now has exactly one black feather - so perhaps he only has one copy of dominant white. The females in his breeding group were a paint silkie and two black silkies. The white frizzle in #4 could have just one copy of dominant white, which would mean she's actually paint and just hiding her black like dad, or she could have two copies of dominant white - one from dad and one from mom if her mom was the paint hen.

I think that means the white hens have dominant white.

A while back I was asking in the self blue silkie Facebook page about the blacks having white offspring. A couple people were adamant that black can't carry any except black...but but but.... I have these white...

Self blue silkies (aka lavender), and lavender birds of any other breeds, "should" not carry recessive white. It is genetically possible, but people usually do not want white popping up in their lavender pens, so they try to avoid having any recessive white in the lavenders.

I was reading about an additional inhibitor gene and was wondering if they could carry it, but I couldn't find an answer.

I don't know what this is refering to.

It's all hard to say exactly with that group because the white roo could be white because he carries two copies of recessive white, or he could actually be a black bird with one copy of dominant white and just displays the white only... That seems unlikely though.

Yes, hard to say, since it is fairly clear that Dominant White is present AND recessive white is probably present too.

The lavender roo could also be the father & you could have some paint chicks that spots will come later. He's actually a black bird , and if he mates with the paint girls in this pen they'd make more paints.”

Yes, I agree with that. Lavender x paint could produce black or paint. And not every "paint" chick would have obvious amounts of black.