Breeding....

Has anyone ever made their own breed? I'm sure it would take a decade or two to do. How should I go about doing it? What legal aspects do I have to worry about (gene patents and whatnot)? Advice would be much appreciated. Maybe I should start a new thread...

Neil Wigley


I am in the process of doing it now. Realized time investment can vary according to how extreme the changes are desired relative to what you started with. What you started with might repressent one breed, many breeds or simply a melting pot of genetic diversity. Not only are you trying to breed toward a given set of characteristics, you are also trying to reduce the amount of variation with respect to performance / appearance. Breeding strategies can be varied even within a given project. I currently use a combination of family selection and inbreeding but will eventually engage in linebreeding as desired product is approached. When trying to fix (make homozygous for) a given trait, then inbreeding is fastest but can result in loss of other desirable traits. Line breeding enables conservation of what looks like a good mix of traits. Family selection can do both desired components of inbreeding and linebreeding plus enable mixing and comparing of different mixtures of traits but rate of change is slower. To do it sustainably, a good number of birds is required, more than typicall for operations maintaining a breed as is.

I use measure of bird generations rather than years. Usually same with chickens until you start getting into business of linebreeding where generations do not mean as much. On paper my project will take at least 20, probably 30 years.
 
Wow, thanks. What I've been planning to do is take my current flock and allow them to breed freely until a certain degree of uniformity is achieved. Then, I'll use only the best of my flock as breeders until they display favorable traits consistantly over several generations. About gene patents, I wouldn't be so sure you can't patent an animal gene. The whole point to gene patents is to ensure the person who worked hard to develop it is recognised, and can benefit from his work. Since animals take a butt-load of work to develop, I would imagine they can be patented. And as for the ethics of gene patents, how would you feel if you had worked for 15+ years on a breed and then started selling them, only to realize someone else is selling your breed? It would suck. However, it would also suck to be the farmer who is being sued for everything they own because Monsanto soybean genes got into their stock from their neighbor's field. There must be some middle ground.

Neil Wigley
 
Wow, thanks. What I've been planning to do is take my current flock and allow them to breed freely until a certain degree of uniformity is achieved. Then, I'll use only the best of my flock as breeders until they display favorable traits consistantly over several generations. About gene patents, I wouldn't be so sure you can't patent an animal gene. The whole point to gene patents is to ensure the person who worked hard to develop it is recognised, and can benefit from his work. Since animals take a butt-load of work to develop, I would imagine they can be patented. And as for the ethics of gene patents, how would you feel if you had worked for 15+ years on a breed and then started selling them, only to realize someone else is selling your breed? It would suck. However, it would also suck to be the farmer who is being sued for everything they own because Monsanto soybean genes got into their stock from their neighbor's field. There must be some middle ground.

Neil Wigley


With chickens at least, it is very unlikely a large firm will steal a strain developed by a private individual. Resources required to develope a line or cross involving multiple developed lines is well beyond the resources of an individual and commercial production system are not likely to be of interest to smaller scale keepers of poultry.

If another small scale producer did swipe your line or at least birds from it, then it would be possible to determine the lines are related and very likely who took from who based on genetic evidence.
 
Wow, thanks. What I've been planning to do is take my current flock and allow them to breed freely until a certain degree of uniformity is achieved. Then, I'll use only the best of my flock as breeders until they display favorable traits consistantly over several generations. About gene patents, I wouldn't be so sure you can't patent an animal gene. The whole point to gene patents is to ensure the person who worked hard to develop it is recognised, and can benefit from his work. Since animals take a butt-load of work to develop, I would imagine they can be patented. And as for the ethics of gene patents, how would you feel if you had worked for 15+ years on a breed and then started selling them, only to realize someone else is selling your breed? It would suck. However, it would also suck to be the farmer who is being sued for everything they own because Monsanto soybean genes got into their stock from their neighbor's field. There must be some middle ground.

                                                          Neil Wigley


I cannot see any situation where "stealing" someone's new chicken breed would be profitable. But the thinking that animal genes should be patentable just scares me.
 

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