Buff Silkie Thread!

[Fancychooklady]

I still say partridge, not buff. The moor cap is too dark to be buff. Perhaps some different pics from another angle.

 

[BobbieJo81]

I don't think she is buff at all. She looks like a first generation porcelain or a light blue partridge to me. There is a light blue partridge in silkies of a different color thread that is a perfect example of that color, I believe she is one of Sonoran's. Maybe she will read this and let you know. She is a genetics and color expert. Sonoran if you see this could you post that blue partridge pullet for her? A smutty buff will have a few blue or black feathers in the wings and tail or just the tail.

Your oldest little gray looks like a silver partridge. They are shown as the same color.

We do have a lot of things in common! I have had boxers all my life and the three Arabians I have right now are rescues! Ha! Ha!

Where could I find pics of the porcelain? The only blues I had were solids(dark) or blue partridge, so I am not sure what a light blue would look like either.. I have had so many people try to tell me that my greys are blues, and its like talk ing to the wall trying to tell them that they are not blue but grey...lol.. but the buff I am lost on...They are pretty rare around here and the woman had one other hen the same color but with better feathering but she was already sold...She said that she had a very hard time finding the buffs as well and bought 6 breeding pair for 40$ each..I got this girl for 10$ so donthave a lot invested in her, it is more a matter of wanting that buff..lol.. I am going to go out and look for any feathers on this girl that are a different color..I know that my 'red' doesnt have any other colors, just a few that are lighter or darker than the main feathers..still reds though..

Thank you for the info, I am cleaning coops and brooders, but I will be back on in a bit..

My only Boxer that I own is almost 10 I will continue to foster for the Boxer rescue, but dont think that I will own another..it is going to devastate me when Jane goes and I just dont want to go through that again..dont get me wrong, I love all of my dogs ( I also have a Staffie, a Yorkie and our most recent drag home is a tiny lil Yorkie/Poodle pup), but none of those will ever take Janes place

 

[Fur N Feathers]

Where could I find pics of the porcelain? The only blues I had were solids(dark) or blue partridge, so I am not sure what a light blue would look like either.. I have had so many people try to tell me that my greys are blues, and its like talk ing to the wall trying to tell them that they are not blue but grey...lol.. but the buff I am lost on...They are pretty rare around here and the woman had one other hen the same color but with better feathering but she was already sold...She said that she had a very hard time finding the buffs as well and bought 6 breeding pair for 40$ each..I got this girl for 10$ so donthave a lot invested in her, it is more a matter of wanting that buff..lol.. I am going to go out and look for any feathers on this girl that are a different color..I know that my 'red' doesnt have any other colors, just a few that are lighter or darker than the main feathers..still reds though..

Thank you for the info, I am cleaning coops and brooders, but I will be back on in a bit..

My only Boxer that I own is almost 10 I will continue to foster for the Boxer rescue, but dont think that I will own another..it is going to devastate me when Jane goes and I just dont want to go through that again..dont get me wrong, I love all of my dogs ( I also have a Staffie, a Yorkie and our most recent drag home is a tiny lil Yorkie/Poodle pup), but none of those will ever take Janes place

This is a porcelain pullet of Karen Larsen's (CatDance). Porcelain is a project color so they come in a lot of different shades but they should have lavender in the underfluff and buff frosting. (my description - not the technical description)

This was my boxer Goliath. He was stolen and I haven't had a dog since. I still miss him so much!

My buff rooster

My PQ buff hen - they are both smutty buff because of the darkness in their tail feathers.

 

[BobbieJo81]

This is a porcelain pullet of Karen Larsen's (CatDance). Porcelain is a project color so they come in a lot of different shades but they should have lavender in the underfluff and buff frosting. (my description - not the technical description)

This was my boxer Goliath. He was stolen and I haven't had a dog since. I still miss him so much!

My buff rooster

My PQ buff hen - they are both smutty buff because of the darkness in their tail feathers.

What does PQ mean? I know when you tell me, Im gonna feel stupid..

..When I put her back in the coop tonight, I picked her up to check out her colors a lil better...All of her undercoat is a bluish grey..I dont know if that is a lavender or not?? Her top crest is also that same color...My red hen looks very much the same, only her undercoat has red in it as well and the other color is more black looking..

Its a shame that you dont live closer...I work with the only boxer rescue in WV and they desperately need good adopters...He is a gorgeous boy..I kept one of Janes pups out of her only litter..he was a reverse brindle and the sweetest boy ever..he was born with what looked like a scar on the top of his head and by the time he was 2 it had grown considerably and the vet began to worry so we did a biopsy and it was a malignant tumor...within 3 months he started having seizures that gradually got worse and we had to let him go before he made it to 2.5 years

It was devastating..We never bred her again for the fear--even though she had been tested for everything under the sun before we bred her and we looked for a year for the right stud that had an owner as invested as us--It just wasnt worth it..I still keep in touch with all of the other puppies owners and there are 7 of them, all of the pups are 7 now and all still healthy as can be so he was most likely a birth defect that turned bad but I couldnt risk that chance and do that to someone else..It was just dumb luck that he was the one we kept, I would have been even more devastated if we had broken another familys heart by selling him..

 

[BobbieJo81]

If she is a F1 porcelain, I wonder what I could cross her with to keep that color going???

 

[BobbieJo81]

There are also 2 genetic bases for the buff color...partridge and wheaten. The partridge base is responsible for the dark skin and often times smut (darker feathers) on the bird. The wheaten gives you those nice clear golden buffs, but also reverts you back to red skin. In silkies, the standard calls for black skin and some smut is permissible. The key is to getting the perfect combination of these 2 genes to get dark skin on a bird almost free of smut. You also need to watch out for getting a white undertone on the base of the feathers. You want a nice clear golden buff all the way from base of feathers to the tips. It takes raising ALOT of them to get that combo, but I guess that is why a lot of people aren't showing them in the same numbers as the black and whites.
Here are some good examples of ones I've raised.

Is wheaten a color in Silkies? I am relatively new to Silkies --if that isnt obvious...lol-- have only owned them a year and that was spent trying to sex what I bought and then find homes for all of the stinking roos..lol.. I would love to get into breeding quality Silkies, but around here quality is very hard to find and when you find it--even harder to get one of those birds..

 

[BobbieJo81]

Even on your 'red', she may be a very dark buff. These aren't my pics again, but these are good examples of reds.

These gals are gorgeous!! There are a few --very few-- feathers this deep of a red on my hen..However all of the partridges that you posted look like my partridge roos(I didnt get any hens=just roos --the only 2 hens were the red and a splash--) I am pretty sure the breeder had his 'blue' pen for the blues and splashes, and then his 'everything else' pen...I got from both

 

[Fur N Feathers]

What does PQ mean? I know when you tell me, Im gonna feel stupid..

..When I put her back in the coop tonight, I picked her up to check out her colors a lil better...All of her undercoat is a bluish grey..I dont know if that is a lavender or not?? Her top crest is also that same color...My red hen looks very much the same, only her undercoat has red in it as well and the other color is more black looking..

Its a shame that you dont live closer...I work with the only boxer rescue in WV and they desperately need good adopters...He is a gorgeous boy..I kept one of Janes pups out of her only litter..he was a reverse brindle and the sweetest boy ever..he was born with what looked like a scar on the top of his head and by the time he was 2 it had grown considerably and the vet began to worry so we did a biopsy and it was a malignant tumor...within 3 months he started having seizures that gradually got worse and we had to let him go before he made it to 2.5 years

It was devastating..We never bred her again for the fear--even though she had been tested for everything under the sun before we bred her and we looked for a year for the right stud that had an owner as invested as us--It just wasnt worth it..I still keep in touch with all of the other puppies owners and there are 7 of them, all of the pups are 7 now and all still healthy as can be so he was most likely a birth defect that turned bad but I couldnt risk that chance and do that to someone else..It was just dumb luck that he was the one we kept, I would have been even more devastated if we had broken another familys heart by selling him..

PQ is short for "pet quality", sorry! BQ = breeder quality and SQ is show quality.

See some folks started their porcelain (which is officially called blue cream now) crossing lavenders (called self blue officially) and buffs and sometimes lavenders and blue partridge. This is my very non technical explanation. Here is the porcelain silkie thread if you want to scan through it. It isn't as long as some of the others and a lot of the pictures don't show up anymore, but you can get a better idea of what I am trying to explain. I personally like this color very much and want to breed more of it if I can.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/548377/porcelain-silkie-thread

The easiest way to get show quality chickens when you can't find them locally is take the chance on shipped eggs.

And here is the image search that I Googled. You will see some that are pretty dark and some that have quite a bit of red.

https://www.google.com/search?q=por...FO-aosATkqoDoCQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=756

Thank you. He was such a good boy. That is such a sad shame about your pup. It makes me well up just reading it.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Smut refers to undercolour, not black in tail and/or wings. Part the body plumage and look for the undercolour. It SHOULD be buff, but in a smutty buff, it will be greyish. Anf in some birds it extends up into the outer feathers enough that it can be seen without searching the undercolour.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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The gene is, but not the colour except a few breeders with projects.