Bully Is Starting Again, Need Ideas

[noodleroo]

Herfrds: I'll bet there is some way to get at least some kind of restraining order on him through one of the justice courts. More like a law suit to get a judgment that says he can't harrass you. Sometimes law enforcement doesn't want to mess with anything more complicated and they will answer questions that they really don't know the actual answer to.

I'd start in the court(s) where you would fight a parking ticket. There has to be something else...

 

[Boyd]

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actually that's allowed by law over there. If every state had a law like that, I doubt there would be a whole lot of crime. Neighbors wouldn't have to worry about looking the other way to preserve their own safety. They could help the others out, protect themselves and not worry about the next guy who.....

1. falls through their skylight trying to burglarize their house..
2. gets chewed on by the owners Pitt mix who's alerted by the noise
3. can't get out the front door fast enough because the locks are just that good
4. tries to sue the homeowner for his injuries
5. gets 100k for his troubles from the insurance company, and the owner of the house has to put his dog down..

 

[thaiturkey]

Inevitably, and as we know are told, there is more than one side to this story. It's a family thing of sorts. Bad blood after a divorce. Perhaps we can get the other guy on here to tell his side of the story. Perhaps he will anyway - this is a public forum and someone may have spotted this thread and told him about it. The police aren't especially wound up about him so he can't have done too much wrong recently. Surely the laws in a developed society are strong enough to deal in a civilised many with someone who harasses another person in public if he is still breaking any laws.

The talk of using a gun on someone who throws insults and waves a finger about is foolhardy, even if he were to do it on your land. Kill or wound him and you will bring down on your head the wrath of all his family and friends. Even talking about it here could provoke him. It's not a solution.

I suspect that there is a long history to this story and we are being shown only a small part of it. He seems to believe that he has a grievance so why not ask him what it is and settle the matter in a grown up manner?

 

[Marshmallow Man]

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actually that's allowed by law over there. If every state had a law like that, I doubt there would be a whole lot of crime. Neighbors wouldn't have to worry about looking the other way to preserve their own safety. They could help the others out, protect themselves and not worry about the next guy who.....

1. falls through their skylight trying to burglarize their house..
2. gets chewed on by the owners Pitt mix who's alerted by the noise
3. can't get out the front door fast enough because the locks are just that good
4. tries to sue the homeowner for his injuries
5. gets 100k for his troubles from the insurance company, and the owner of the house has to put his dog down..

I think they have a make my day law. It allows you to shoot someone entering your house. Doesn't allow them to shoot you in the back while you're walking away from the next door neighbors house. I think there were some other factors involved in that one. I fully agree with the right to shoot someone entering or trying to enter your house. What that guy did was murder. If every state had a law like that there would be a lot of murders. I agree that theft is bad but it is not worth taking a life over.If you want to be a hero just hold them at gun point till the police get there. weapons should be for self defense or the defense of others. Not the defense of their property. JMO

 

[mmpb1]

Geeze Boyd, where did that happen? I'm not a real fan of Pitts, but sounds like he was doing his job and got a bad deal. His owners got the shaft, too.

Words and verbal threats can be ignored, but if there is a physical threat to me, mine or my neighbor don't look for a shot "to stop or wound". I read in another post about shooting an intruder in the knees. ????? SSS won't work in a situation like this, but common sense will.

Years ago, I remember asking my cousin if she could kill someone who was threatening the lives of her family. Her answer was no. What was she thinking? Her children are less important than the life of a scumbag. The sad story is that she will never have grandchildren. Perhaps her son and daughter did not feel valued.

Margie

 

[herfrds]

Thaiturkey the guy said stuff about a physical problem my DS was having when he was younger. We ignored the guy even though it was a really nasty remark.
I doubt the guy would even come on here.
The divorce just got finished. It was started last year. It was pretty nasty and I tried to stay as far out of it as possible until we got dragged into by the ex and this guy.
This guy is NOT related to our family or her family in any way.
He's just a flat out bully. ex cousin was also seeing his brother at the time. Divorce wasn't final yet.

If you had read it more carefully you would have read where the cops pulled him aside and told him to leave us alone. They know what he is like and they were always within a short distance of us. Once this guy got up and left I noticed we still had one officer near us. They were watching him.
What does that tell you?

Now this guy walked up to DH when he went to a bar on Super Bowl Sunday. Tried picking a fight with him several times. Several people stepped in and told the guy to leave DH alone. He came at DH 3 different times trying to get DH to hit him.
DH wouldn't take the bait.
Guy grabbed DH by the front of his shirt and shook him. Others stepped in and got him away from DH. Guy physically grabbed DH on his side too. Left a bruise the size of a baseball.
Guy just kept it up until he was kicked out of the bar.

From personal experience you cannot talk rationally with these type of people. Not worth the time or effort.

By the way I never stated that I would use a gun on him for those childish actions, but if he was beating on a member of my family with any part of his body or any object I would use what force is needed to stop him.

 

[redhen]

OOh niiice.. a grown man picking on children... (does it get any lower than that?..really??)
He must have small man syndrome...

 

[thaiturkey]

I would consider using a gun or other weapon to prevent someone from injuring or killing me or mine at home. I probably would use as much violence as possible elsewhere in similar circumstances. We have plenty of self defence weapons from which to choose but who knows what I would actually do; the need hasn't yet arisen. I imagine that we act by instinct rather than logic when threatened with serious violence.

It's the probability that logical thought would be abandoned in these circumstances that worries me when people advocate the waving around of guns in mild circumstances. To encourage people to use guns against any infringement of space or dignity is asking for real trouble in return from either the authorities or the victim's family. Innocent and non-violent people can be hurt and children seeing it as a real life example of what the movies encourage learn nothing good.

Perhaps those who advocate the use of a gun to get ones own way in any situation are joking. I hope so. If they are serious, I would suggest that the gun is not a ready substitute for the use of the brain. Think first. Firing a gun can lead to a lifetime of consequences.

 

[MysticScorpio82]

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It certainly sounds like it.

Herds, I am so so sorry to hear about the troubles and trials you are going through in your life. I think the best thing to do is to keep records, call the police as needed, never allow ANY member of your family to go anywhere alone (always have a battle buddy), maybe get a few more cameras and go target practicing at least once a week

. I will be praying for you and your family.

 

[thaiturkey]

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I did read what you wrote. If the police watched and didn't arrest him I have to assume that he didn't break any law on that occasion.

I guess that one can't talk rationally with people like him from what you have written. The answer is to to stay away from him. Don't go to his bars or other events where he might be. Find something else to do.

If the man bruised your husband I assume that amounts to assault and is a criminal offence in front of witnesses. Was that reported to the police?

I know that you didn't suggest the use of a gun but some people have on this thread and it was to those posts that I referred. You say that you would use sufficient force to stop him but if he wants a fight you might well lose. You won't win by his rules of the game.

Is the man picking on anyone else or just your husband? If the latter then he, surely, must feel that he has a grudge against your husband. Work that one out and, if there is a legitimate grudge, deal with it.

What I'm telling you is that probably you have no satisfactory solution to this other than the law and avoiding him. It's easy for people to suggest shooting, beating and similar B movie solutions but they won't end it and you could get into trouble yourselves. Sometimes real advice and questions hurt, and I'm sorry if what I have written has rattled you, but you will end this only by facing up to hard facts. I have experienced something similar to what you describe and I'm on your side!