Bumblefoot removed but no kernal came out despite major swelling.

[Chicalina]

That bootie is brilliant! Bumblefoot is a bitch sometimes. Hope you manage to get on top of it.

 

[Tanya22]

I have a roo that has bumblefoot for the third time, so I know how frustrating it is. I think because their feet are bigger and there is more tissue that maybe it contributes to it being worse to get rid of, and the heavier weight puts more strain on their feet particularly when jumping. Last time around it took over a year for my roo to heal, current treatments have been going on for about 3 months, it's slowly, slowly getting smaller. This time for him, sugardine is the only thing that has worked at all. If I finally manage to get rid of this one I'm considering putting him in a boot 24/7 to help protect his feet. http://www.hensaver.com/Birdy-Bootie.html
Both of those look like they need to be cleaned out again. Frustrating, I know.

It really is quite frustrating. And more than anything it concerns me because I cannot bear to see anything happen to Brownie. So, glad to hear that your roo is recovering and yes, boots seem to be the only solution! I'm unable to get the delivered in my area unfortunately

I'll be starting the sugardine treatment and hope for the best. Is there any ratio that you would suggest for the sugar and betadine?

I'm also exposing his feet to sunlight whenever possible. I've also been massaging his feet with oil. I started using mustard oil which is very nutritious for bone health. It's also used in a homemade drawing salve that my mom makes, but the salve uses onions so I'm not using it on Brownie. For now, I'm just sticking to the massages and sugardine.

 

[Tanya22]

That bootie is brilliant! Bumblefoot is a bitch sometimes. Hope you manage to get on top of it.

Thank you! I hope so too. I wish I could get those boots delivered in my area but shipping is not available. Sigh...

 

[coach723]

For the sugardine, since a bumble is relatively small (in comparison to what would be used on a horse) I just pack the hole with sugar as best I can getting as much in there as possible and put one or two drops of betadine on top. It wicks in well. Changed my roo's bandage yesterday and it's almost healed up, next bandage change I will get a picture for you. I don't have a before picture, but he looked worse than your roo's feet.
If you have the ability to purchase a similar dense but thin foam there as it looks like the booties are made of, you might be able to cobble together a boot yourself that would work. I have used pool noodle foam, cut to size and then wrapped with co-wrap to make donut dressings to keep pressure off of points of injury in the past, something like that might work. Just make sure it's nothing that could be swallowed if it came off. Looks are much less important than whether it works or not.

 

[Tanya22]

For the sugardine, since a bumble is relatively small (in comparison to what would be used on a horse) I just pack the hole with sugar as best I can getting as much in there as possible and put one or two drops of betadine on top. It wicks in well. Changed my roo's bandage yesterday and it's almost healed up, next bandage change I will get a picture for you. I don't have a before picture, but he looked worse than your roo's feet.
If you have the ability to purchase a similar dense but thin foam there as it looks like the booties are made of, you might be able to cobble together a boot yourself that would work. I have used pool noodle foam, cut to size and then wrapped with co-wrap to make donut dressings to keep pressure off of points of injury in the past, something like that might work. Just make sure it's nothing that could be swallowed if it came off. Looks are much less important than whether it works or not.

We tried to find pool noodle foam yesterday, but couldn't in our local markets. I'll see if I can find some other foam material which is as soft.

I'm actually hesitant to remove his bumble again so soon since its been less than a month since its removal.. Do you think I should wait or is it okay to go ahead?

As for the smaller bumble that he has, I'll most probably be doing the procedure on it today or tomorrow and am just hoping for the best. Also, I'm not planning on giving him any oral antibiotics after the procedure. I didn't give them before either since there is no doctor here who can prescribe them and I don't wish to self medicate.

I'll just be sticking to betadine and neosporin and oral multivitamins.

 

[coach723]

Here are my pictures, sorry for the delay, very busy week!
First pic is of the current bumblefoot, nearly healed. Sugardine treatments only. We are about 3.5 months in and it's looking very good. This was taken immediately after the bandage was removed, so foot not cleaned up yet. You can kind of see the difference in tissue color around the original margins:

This is the other foot which was really, really bad first go around. You can see the scarring. He also has probable nerve damage in this foot which is why I think he keeps re-injuring it. He will be getting booties soon. He gets around fine, does all his rooster stuff, but the one toe (bottom of the picture) just doesn't work right. The infection had started to migrate up the toe. He roosts but not correctly so I check his breast bone regularly for rubbing. This foot got cleaned and wrapped today too, since he's managed to get two injuries on it again:

Hope your roo is doing OK.

 

[PoultryPedia]

Not fun
Is there a way you can put something on the hard floors he jumps onto so he doesn't land hard? Or can his perch get lowered?
I used to have a roo whose bumblefoot was caused by friction from a too-high and hard-to-grasp ledge he perched on, & the big jump down from that. It was frustrating trying to make progress when I couldn't move him out of that coop for a long time.
He had the callous type of bumblefoot, which has no internal kernel.

 

[Tanya22]

Not fun
Is there a way you can put something on the hard floors he jumps onto so he doesn't land hard? Or can his perch get lowered?
I used to have a roo whose bumblefoot was caused by friction from a too-high and hard-to-grasp ledge he perched on, & the big jump down from that. It was frustrating trying to make progress when I couldn't move him out of that coop for a long time.
He had the callous type of bumblefoot, which has no internal kernel.

Oh my! I didn't know that there was a bumblefoot like that! Thank you for telling me! How did your roo heal from it?

As for Brownie, his perch is not even half a foot above ground. He doesn't need to jump to get on it. You know those rectangular foot rests on wooden tables? He uses that as his perch.

As for jumping, he used to do that A LOT before, but now he seems to have understood that if he jumps it will hurt his foot. Too late though.. sigh
The thing I'm most worried about is the infection reaching his bone. Is there any way to know whether it has or not? An X-ray or something?

 

[Tanya22]

Here are my pictures, sorry for the delay, very busy week!
First pic is of the current bumblefoot, nearly healed. Sugardine treatments only. We are about 3.5 months in and it's looking very good. This was taken immediately after the bandage was removed, so foot not cleaned up yet. You can kind of see the difference in tissue color around the original margins:
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This is the other foot which was really, really bad first go around. You can see the scarring. He also has probable nerve damage in this foot which is why I think he keeps re-injuring it. He will be getting booties soon. He gets around fine, does all his rooster stuff, but the one toe (bottom of the picture) just doesn't work right. The infection had started to migrate up the toe. He roosts but not correctly so I check his breast bone regularly for rubbing. This foot got cleaned and wrapped today too, since he's managed to get two injuries on it again:
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Hope your roo is doing OK.

He's doing okay.. has stopped jumping though I fear my words may jinx it -_-
His foot hurts occasionally, but there is no limping or anything. I'm thinking, until I can get his boots or make them, I'm going to keep his feet bandaged. Because these days it has gotten very cold here and he crows like mad as his feet keep getting cold. I generally put him on my lap and rub his feet until they get warm. lmao if it's up to him, he would spend the whole day on my lap

 

[Saaniya]

Not fun
Is there a way you can put something on the hard floors he jumps onto so he doesn't land hard? Or can his perch get lowered?
I used to have a roo whose bumblefoot was caused by friction from a too-high and hard-to-grasp ledge he perched on, & the big jump down from that. It was frustrating trying to make progress when I couldn't move him out of that coop for a long time.
He had the callous type of bumblefoot, which has no internal kernel.

I face the same with my rooster we have marbel flooring hence we never found signs of Infection that typical Bumblefoot gives . Still we remove as much as we can recently started to use Boric Acid 1% ointment called Boroline it started to heal my rooster chronic callous which we rapidly Treating since year in the name of Bumblefoot . He never have anything like kernal roots or pus that looks like cheese instead of that when I remove his scab there's alot bleeding and a hole in the footpad
But now with boric acid ointment he started to heal pretty good I will add some pics of his foot the tissue heal so nicely that we don't see any bleeding when we soak and remove the dead skin it's fantastic ..but it's not Bumblefoot god I always stay in worry but finally I know it's not Bumblefoot because indoors there's no chance of getting Bumblefoot in a clean environment so as @Tanya22 also following up boric acid ointment