Bumblefoot surgery first time Pg 1 SECOND TIME!!!! PG 3 GRAPHIC

[cocosandy]

Kitty,
excellent post about bumblefoot! I am going to link to you from my page. That is a very, very advanced case, and when its that bad, its almost easier because the bumbles are so well formed. Be aware that there will be more bumbles and to keep going and going if you want to save her.
I suggest keeping her bandaged. You're almost better keeping her bandaged and doing the soaking every couple to three days rather than bothering it every day. Youve got openings in the form of the scab edge and you dont want it reinfected. I also find that mine have done better when Ive messed with them less.
I would inject that foot with tylan every time you change the bandage too.
and put some clean wood chips in her crate if you crate her so its not hard in there.....
Its very hard to keep them clean but I am changing bandages and messing round less and having more success with more intensive treatment less often..
She looks good....and she is obviously a stong bird.
A case that advanced is going to require a long term maintenance and treatment situation...but one day it will close up. If there is even a pinhole I would shoot some Tylan into it and use a tweezer to see if you can pull anything out....you'd be surprised at how persistent staph is..

I have a bantam leghorn who is a real meanie but a great layer...she had a pretty bad case and her foot was getting a little necrotic (black and hard.) I was patiently changing bandages and trying to get the necrotic skin off as necessary, and one morning I found her foot in the bandage in the nestbox!! her body had just compartmentalized the infection and it dropped off. She is very happy on the stump and I keep vet wrap on it and change it once a week or so....
at a point she got a scab on the tip of the stump inside the bandage and I pulled it off and out came a long stalactite sort of piece of bumble...but it seems to be resolved and she is happy and really tough . when I look at it, she pecks so hard that she has drawn blood on my arms so I have to wear long sleeves.
she is a happy crazy gal and lays the biggest eggs that I have ever seen!


Keep me updated...I will also follow your blog.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

Thanks all, I really Appreciate it.

What would the Tylan 50 do, I thought it was for breathing?

The PennG I have says

(Penicillin G Benzthine and Penicillin G Procaine)

So does that mean I cant use it?
It took me FOREVER to find this.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

But the Penng I have says

it has
Penicillin G procaine in it.

I thought I couldent use thing with Cain in them?
I am not trying to be difficult I just want to be safe,
Sorry if I seem that way.



I got two different size needles, I got
3 ml 18G 1 1/2 (1.2mmx 40mm)
and
3ml 20 G 1 (0.9mm x 25mm)
which on should I use?

 

[GoldenSparrow]

I gave her the shot!! i used a 20 G needle
she already seems a little up beat!

 

[OwensMom]

The cain in the penn is lidoicaine. You cannot inject that into any kind of blood vessel-even a small one. It will travel to the brain and anesthize the brain(effectively shutting it down), BE CAREFUL. If you infuse the opening of the foot with pennG then it will have an antibiotic effect and an anesthetic effect. There may be another antibiotic that you can get to inject into the bird while using the pennG to infuse the foot. Don't know anything about Bumblefoot but it is staph double anitbotics cannot hurt.

 

[cocosandy]

Yeah, I killed a hen once by injecting her with the Penn with 'cain'...this is not for sytemic use. Id use tylan....or something else without cai. Ive had good results with tylan and its not just for respiratory problems. Actually, if you ever have a respiratory problem I would try to really diagnose it and then consider gallimycin, sulmet, or durramycin.
Tylan works well on the sinus infections but for MG or ...heaven forbid, coryza, you need to try sulfa or the like.
I would toss that penn personally...but you can probably get away with using it locally. youre just dealing with alot of bleeding and birds dont tolerate the cains in their system.
Youre not being a bother;always ask questions and double check! Thats what these forums are for and youre doing great in caring for your birds by learning about what goes wrong and hot to fix it....go on randall burkey or one of the others and see whats there. I would keep tylan 50 on hand and sulmet, wazine and pour in eprinex, at least, as far as the things that come up.
The needles are fine either way. I use the .3 ccs on wounds and then the little 1 cc insulin ones for vaccinating chicks. Chickens are not gonna notice the difference...they perceive pain differently than we do. use bacine to pain relief and added antiseptic .
I spray it wherever the skin breaks, even just for an injection. Its the best avian topical med for things like this.wear gloves!!!

 

[OwensMom]

GoldenSparrow. how is your bird today? Did the pennG help her? Been followinf your progress and will continue to do so.

 

[mljohnson05]

yes, how is she doing...must have new pics and update!!!

 

[GoldenSparrow]

Golden seems a little better today. she is walking around with the other hens and had a dust bath (free range)
shes not eating much, which makes me nervous. Also she sits down quite a bit under bushes.

I did not give her the meds today, but I soaked her foot. it looks a ton better!

Thank you all so very much! I will let you know how she is tomarrow.
I am going to give her some med tomarrow, cause It seems to be helping. i will make sure to pull back on the needle to make sure I am not in a blood vessel.

Also her foot is staring to scab over. should I let it?


Thanks

 

[cocosandy]

I would keep it wrapped so it doesnt get more infection in it. It can scab over...the scab will come off when you clean it up...
make her some scrambled eggs and yogurt, and let her eat separately from the others. try to be sure that she is getting calories and protein.
Sitting alot is fine....keep the feet wrapped and clean for a few days and leave it to either heal up a bit or allow the infection to gather again.
Its a very long process and you will get used to it.;-)
hang in....