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[DobieLover]

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Hey, @Bamabexchicks, I couldn't post your "Congratulations on your new Friend badge" to your profile page so I'll just do it here!!

 

[007Sean]

At the Dr's office. Fasting for labs. It is only 41° out, so may spend time quilting and cleaning up. How about you?

Had my office visit yesterday, nothing's changed so I guess that's good. The doc thinks the pain may be coming from arthritis in the socket of my pelvis and where the ball of the femur fit together...but that's not where the pain is...he wanted to do a test where he'd inject the area of the ball with a dye, steroids and a numbing substance to see it the pain goes away when he injects it and with the dye it would be easy to identify if it was arthritic. Only thing is I'd have to go back in surgery and it's not an in clinic procedure, he and I both didn't want that again.

So, going back June 1st and evaluate it again, at least no new x-rays, he says the bone is calcifiying and I have already had enough radiation to deal with too.
Just keep taking my vitamins and continue doing what I'm doing.
On the weather side, we almost had a freeze here this morning 33°F but suppose to be 75 today and sun shine so I guess everything's alright.

 

[Shadrach]

Not really husbandry but genetic breeding. Nearly all of chicken behaviors are genetic. If I hatch an egg in an incubator or buy chicks from a hatchery, they do not learn from a Mom

There are many papers on the net regarding genetic selection and the consequential results.
For example the choosing of individuals that show reduced fear responses to human presense in the belief that it would reduce aggresive behavior hasn't benn very successful. One of the reasons cited is as the less fearful offspring are repeatedly selected their was shown in some studies a measurable physical reduction in certain brain parts to do with the 'adventurousness' of the chicken and it's ability to solve new problems. In short the breeding programs produced less fearful but less 'intelligent' chickens. There's lots more which I will leave you to research if you're interested.
It is safe to assume that genetically driven behavior will apply in all circumstances. After all, if it's genetically coded one needs to change the code to change the behavior.
One very obvious demonstration of learn't behavior is the chickens willingness to sleep in coops.
Another is if a mother hen shows no fear of a particular predator the chicks will learn this from their mother.
There are many many more examples.

 

[ronott1]

There are many papers on the net regarding genetic selection and the consequential results.
For example the choosing of individuals that show reduced fear responses to human presense in the belief that it would reduce aggresive behavior hasn't benn very successful. One of the reasons cited is as the less fearful offspring are repeatedly selected their was shown in some studies a measurable physical reduction in certain brain parts to do with the 'adventurousness' of the chicken and it's ability to solve new problems. In short the breeding programs produced less fearful but less 'intelligent' chickens. There's lots more which I will leave you to research if you're interested.
It is safe to assume that genetically driven behavior will apply in all circumstances. After all, if it's genetically coded one needs to change the code to change the behavior.
One very obvious demonstration of learn't behavior is the chickens willingness to sleep in coops.
Another is if a mother hen shows no fear of a particular predator the chicks will learn this from their mother.
There are many many more examples.

Thanks!

You are still working with genetic behaviors with most of the examples. It does not tell you how much of a chickens behavior is genetic and how much is learned.

Fear is subjective too.

Sleeping in coops is not learned. It is genetic. Guinea hens have a very hard time learning to sleep in coops but chickens prefer it. I have had a couple of breeds that refused to use the coop and others love the coop. They are different genetically.

Quail seem to be resistant to laying in nest boxes and you can't teach them to roost. Those are genetic behaviors too.

I seems that the thought of some of your behaviors being genetic is hard to accept sometimes. It it something that reflects on our belief in God? If genes can make us behave in a certain way, then where it God in that?

When CRISPR is used to identify poultry genes, then we may be able to select for the broody gene. There is one for sure!

 

[Shadrach]

One example that is related is a hen I had that went broody and raised chicks as a very good Mom. I hatched her from an egg in my incubator.

How did she go broody and learn to raise chicks if it was not genetic to do so? No mom taught her and I certainly did not.

Humans are one of the most in the nurture dept. and we are only about 60% nurture (learned) depending on the source you read. Chickens are much higher.

If you do not agree with the above, find some science and share please! I love that stuff!

You could start off with any of the Nature articles you can find in this lot.

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=palemoon&q=Social+behaviour+responses+in+red+junglefowl+(Gallusgallus)+selected+for+tameness&ia=web

Then read through the links given in this paper.
https://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/...kgo.com&httpsredir=1&article=2005&context=bts
When you've read those, come back and I'll give you some more.
Do you have any papers that demonstrate that chickens
"Humans are one of the most in the nurture dept. and we are only about 60% nurture (learned) depending on the source you read. Chickens are much higher."
This is rather different to your earlier statement regarding genetics governing behavior.
So you have any links to papers that give these percentages?
I love this stuff to.

 

[Shadrach]

I seems that the thought of some of your behaviors being genetic is hard to accept sometimes. It it something that reflects on our belief in God? If genes can make us behave in a certain way, then where it God in that?

I'm sorry ronott1, I'm going to have to decline any further debate on this subject fascinating though I find it.
It's great we all have different views and beliefs. I suppose its part of what makes BYC interesting.

 

[Shadrach]

Well done @DobieLover. Did you keep track of how many you greeted?

 

[DobieLover]

Well done @DobieLover. Did you keep track of how many you greeted?

Why, no!

I'm surprised you were not honored with a Greeter badge.

 

[Shadrach]

It's raining here at last!!

 

[Shadrach]

Why, no!

I'm surprised you were not honored with a Greeter badge.

I'm not expecting any more badges.