Calculating Protein Percentages of Eggs and Peas

[Chris2018]

@X_and_Z
From the link you posted
"Regardless of the accuracy of energy adjustment, hens eat less of a high-energy, nutritionally balanced feed than of a low-energy feed to produce a dozen eggs."

That right there show that a hen eats to fill a there energy need.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Carbs are! We really don't need to eat any kind of carb!

Well fiber is a carb as well. Pretty sure we NEED it. Maybe not all the simple carbs we enjoy consuming so much. But complex carbs, yes I think so.

This does not explain overweight chickens which is apparently a fairly common issue in backyard flocks. An overweight chicken is obviously eating more than their caloric needs.

Not all creatures are created equal. Some are more treat motivated than others. I'm a tad overweight... from the MnM's... and from being poor, so having it in the back of my mind that I gotta eat it or it will be gone. Yes some chicken are also mental for whatever reason.

How many times do I hear people say "my chickens are spoiled"? And by that they almost ALWAYS mean they feed excess TREATS.

There are many quality studies on the Paleo/low carb diets that have debunked the idea that it is the type of calories that matter. Apparently people on high protein/fat diets end up reducing overall calories consumed without noticing.

While this may be true for some people... Doing Atkins back in the day... I nearly gave myself some sort of internal organ failure and had to go to the hospital admitted with a high fever that had been running for a while. I had lost weight (as everybody does) and my blood tests for cholesterol were perfect. My blood sugar (diabetic) was WELL controlled and stayed around 100 constantly. BUT my kidney, liver or something to that effect was malfunctioning. Diets suck and they don't work. I always pigged out after ward to make up for what I wasn't getting during that time. I always gained my weight back. Truly lifestyle matters.

Not with my frinds! They get easly 4000 calories/day.

Someone already stated that your friends MUST either be moving more or consuming less calories than they did before even at 4000 calories per day. Weight maintenance is calories in verses calories out period.

Only 2% of feather protein is actually digestible... and I believe feather picking (like over eating) is a behavioral issue *MOST* of the time.

So... can we agree that when we feed a fresh egg it is the 33% protein by caloric content that truly counts.

How many people still think 12% is the number that counts when we are talking how much energy from protein in and egg? Again I have always agreed that is the weight of the protein but not it's ENERGY value.

 

[Kiki]

So... can we agree that when we feed a fresh egg it is the 33% protein by caloric content that truly counts.

How many people still think 12% is the number that counts when we are talking how much energy from protein in and egg? Again I have always agreed that is the weight of the protein but not it's ENERGY value.

I am still out on this one.
I will make time today to make my mind up.

 

[Akrnaf2]

Well fiber is a carb as well. Pretty sure we NEED it. Maybe not all the simple carbs we enjoy consuming so much. But complex carbs, yes I think so.


Not all creatures are created equal. Some are more treat motivated than others. I'm a tad overweight... from the MnM's... and from being poor, so having it in the back of my mind that I gotta eat it or it will be gone. Yes some chicken are also mental for whatever reason.

How many times do I hear people say "my chickens are spoiled"? And by that they almost ALWAYS mean they feed excess TREATS.


While this may be true for some people... Doing Atkins back in the day... I nearly gave myself some sort of internal organ failure and had to go to the hospital admitted with a high fever that had been running for a while. I had lost weight (as everybody does) and my blood tests for cholesterol were perfect. My blood sugar (diabetic) was WELL controlled and stayed around 100 constantly. BUT my kidney, liver or something to that effect was malfunctioning. Diets suck and they don't work. I always pigged out after ward to make up for what I wasn't getting during that time. I always gained my weight back. Truly lifestyle matters.


Someone already stated that your friends MUST either be moving more or consuming less calories than they did before even at 4000 calories per day. Weight maintenance is calories in verses calories out period.

Only 2% of feather protein is actually digestible... and I believe feather picking (like over eating) is a behavioral issue *MOST* of the time.

So... can we agree that when we feed a fresh egg it is the 33% protein by caloric content that truly counts.

How many people still think 12% is the number that counts when we are talking how much energy from protein in and egg? Again I have always agreed that is the weight of the protein but not it's ENERGY value.

No we not. The intestinal cavity is basically the external enviorment and fibers AKA cellulose is not digestible by humans so they don't been absorbed and stay outside if the body . So WE don't need to get carbohydrates AS AN EXTERNAL NUTRIENTS.
The beneficial value of fibers is due their help in the digestive proces and not as a metabolite.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

The beneficial value of fibers is due their help in the digestive proces and not as a metabolite.

OK.. still carbs are natural and not the enemy the way people make them out to be. I will still contend that they are needed. I would like to see someone who lived to be old with ZERO carb intake.

Yes they are a quicker form of energy... and people who consume them correctly will be happier healthier people in my OPINION than those who try to avoid them all together.

I believe balance is key... but I know this discussion is not about belief. I have enough understanding for a good discussion but that might be past where I have arrived yet. Willing to look at some study or something you have that shows carbohydrates actually are not needed in any form... and even if that form is about digestion and not about the actual nutrient... still relative to whether or not we can live without it?

The good news is we are just talking about protein here really... so I don't technically need to make my mind spin anymore about what else I am doing wrong.

Adding.. for me... living without carbs, isn't living!

 

[Akrnaf2]

OK.. still carbs are natural and not the enemy the way people make them out to be. I will still contend that they are needed. I would like to see someone who lived to be old with ZERO carb intake.

Yes they are a quicker form of energy... and people who consume them correctly will be happier healthier people in my OPINION than those who try to avoid them all together.

I believe balance is key... but I know this discussion is not about belief. I have enough understanding for a good discussion but that might be past where I have arrived yet. Willing to look at some study or something you have that shows carbohydrates actually are not needed in any form... and even if that form is about digestion and not about the actual nutrient... still relative to whether or not we can live without it?

The good news is we are just talking about protein here really... so I don't technically need to make my mind spin anymore about what else I am doing wrong.

Adding.. for me... living without carbs, isn't living!

There are 9 essential amino acids so we HAVE to eat proteins to get them.
There are lipids- soluble vitamins and we do need some very important lipids like Omega3 and other so we HAVE to eat lipids
But there isn't even one kind of carbohydrate/Sugar that is essential.
We do need about 130-140 grams of glucose because the nervous system, kidneys, red blood cells depends almost solely not them BUT our body produce in average 180gr/day glucose from protein and glycerol (an ingredient of 3 glycerids )in a metabolic pathway called Gluconeogenesis so we actually don't need to eat them.
The problem is the exses of carbohydrate, Do you eat 180 grams of them a day? I assume that much more.... and this "much more "can cause problems! The metabolic syndrome......ect

 

[CSAchook]

So... can we agree that when we feed a fresh egg it is the 33% protein by caloric content that truly counts.

How many people still think 12% is the number that counts when we are talking how much energy from protein in and egg? Again I have always agreed that is the weight of the protein but not it's ENERGY value.

This might be a stupid question, but how much does a cooked egg weigh? Also what is its volume? I ask because I think part of the debate is does an egg have more or less protein than a comparable quantity of food, right? Say, it you had a bird that you are looking to give an extra protein boost to, which would provide more protein, a tablespoon of egg? Or a tablespoon of dry feed? These may not be the right questions at all, but I was thinking that might help get my brain around this issue...

 

[EggSighted4Life]

BUT our body produce in average 180gr/day glucose

Yes, one of the meds I take is to stop or slow the amount of sugar my OWN body dumps into the blood stream. Oddly enough, my 8 hour fasting blood sugar is often my highest.

I appreciate the intelligent conversation.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I ask because I think part of the debate is does an egg have more or less protein than a comparable quantity of food, right?

No I don't want to know about a comparable quantity of food.

I ONLY wanna know how much energy from an egg is provided by protein. 12% protein is much lower than 33%. By volume and weight it is 12%. By calories it is 33%. The water left in a raw or cooked egg since it won't all evaporate will not count towards energy at all it will be processed though as urates.

Though I DO get what you are saying and asking and YES that is a lot of what is causing confusion for some people. And that's exactly the kind of brain spinning question I appreciate! The kind that is trying to get to the real root of the matter.

So I will be recommending cooked egg as a good source to BOOST protein in most cases with the disclosure that it is also high in fat so should not be the MAIN source. I no longer believe after this awesome thread that when I say eggs a valuable source of protein I will be giving bad advice. No longer will I have to question others and derail threads when I see it suggested again since I now know where I stand in my head and my heart on the subject.

You all have been TRULY good sports! I love BYC and it's comradary.

 

[Akrnaf2]

Yes, one of the meds I take is to stop or slow the amount of sugar my OWN body dumps into the blood stream. Oddly enough, my 8 hour fasting blood sugar is often my highest.

I appreciate the intelligent conversation.

One question if I may, does your diet includes ANY tipe of grains whole grains or not (pasta, bred rice etc etc ) or potato?