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Hi Kim,

Thanks for the correction! I think I will stick with the wheat then.

Does Costco have a version of the cat food that is small, like kitten food? The big size requires mashing.

Thanks!

Ron
I just bought a bag of Nature's Domain Salmon Meal & Sweet Potato Recipe Cat Food at Costco yesterday. It is grain free and the first 2 ingredients are Salmon meal and ocean fish meal. It is 32% protein. It is in flat pellet form and the pellet diameter is 1/4- 5/16 in. I have the bag if anyone is interested in more info on it. It was $18.99 for 18 lb. My cat may have to share some of it with my molting chickens!
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OK, no one liked my cockerels or commented on my pencil rock looking EE pullet
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but I had to compete with Kim's cute little chicks, which were pretty darn cute and long in coming so my feelings are not that wounded
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BUT.....I need some advice on the chicks I bought from a reputable breeder here on BYC. I mentioned a few weeks ago that one died within a few days of picking them up, then a few days later another one died. After hearing of my chicks and losing one also, the breeder sent one to UC Davis, then I believe culled another one with symptoms and sent that one also.

The results were e coli septicemia and aspergillosis as cause of death. I can't find anything that says the birds that are exposed or sick and recover will be carriers but I can't find anything that says they won't either. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Of the remaining four, one is smaller and seems puffed up like the two that died but I don't hear the clicking in the breathing like the other two had. And then one has a puffy eye. Their activity seems normal although I now have them confined. They were free ranging around my house, which is about 50 yards from my barn and chicken coops. Actually read that free ranging is good for this problem but every once in a while one of my roos will bring his 5 favorite girls down to the house so I didn't want to risk exposing my flock. I've only treated them with Rooster Booster in their water.

I need to decide if they should be culled or if they'll be able to be integrated into the rest of the flock. I'd love to move them to my grow out pen, it's been a pain having to care for them down here. Nothing worse then finally having a grow out pen and not be able to use it!

I sure hope someone can advise me here and if I don't cull should I treat them with some antibiotics and how long before I can move them up to grow out pen, which is next to my main coop.
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......or just cull.
 
I was trying to get a good picture of one of my pullets that has really cool coloring I wanted to see what it's called (if anything) but she was moving too fast every time I tried but I did get a shot of all the boys from May hatch. They need a home if anyone is looking for an EE. All the pullets from the same parents are green egg layers. These boys are going to be big like their dad (Big Daddy).

They're the four closest. They're all EE's. The really colorful one all the way to left is the only one w/o puffy cheeks and beard and two have pea combs, the far right and the one in the middle.



The girl I was trying to post is in the background on the left.

Here's a poor lighting picture of her but her grandmother was a Light Brahma, her mom Ameraucana/Light Brahma and her, back to the Ameraucana roo. The brownish body part looks penciled. Wish I could get a better picture of her, she's really pretty and her and one of the cockerels has almost salmon colored wattles and comb.
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OK, no one liked my cockerels or commented on my pencil rock looking EE pullet
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but I had to compete with Kim's cute little chicks, which were pretty darn cute and long in coming so my feelings are not that wounded
wink.png
BUT.....I need some advice on the chicks I bought from a reputable breeder here on BYC. I mentioned a few weeks ago that one died within a few days of picking them up, then a few days later another one died. After hearing of my chicks and losing one also, the breeder sent one to UC Davis, then I believe culled another one with symptoms and sent that one also.

The results were e coli septicemia and aspergillosis as cause of death. I can't find anything that says the birds that are exposed or sick and recover will be carriers but I can't find anything that says they won't either. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Of the remaining four, one is smaller and seems puffed up like the two that died but I don't hear the clicking in the breathing like the other two had. And then one has a puffy eye. Their activity seems normal although I now have them confined. They were free ranging around my house, which is about 50 yards from my barn and chicken coops. Actually read that free ranging is good for this problem but every once in a while one of my roos will bring his 5 favorite girls down to the house so I didn't want to risk exposing my flock. I've only treated them with Rooster Booster in their water.

I need to decide if they should be culled or if they'll be able to be integrated into the rest of the flock. I'd love to move them to my grow out pen, it's been a pain having to care for them down here. Nothing worse then finally having a grow out pen and not be able to use it!

I sure hope someone can advise me here and if I don't cull should I treat them with some antibiotics and how long before I can move them up to grow out pen, which is next to my main coop.
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......or just cull.
I knew I missed something yesterday! Beautiful Chickens!

The Fungus and the ecoli won't be a problem once they recover. It's the weird viurses that stick around in the system and cause reinfection.

Amy Beth researched the heck out of the mold. She will probably jump in and share with us.

Ron
 
OK, no one liked my cockerels or commented on my pencil rock looking EE pullet
hit.gif
but I had to compete with Kim's cute little chicks, which were pretty darn cute and long in coming so my feelings are not that wounded
wink.png
BUT.....I need some advice on the chicks I bought from a reputable breeder here on BYC. I mentioned a few weeks ago that one died within a few days of picking them up, then a few days later another one died. After hearing of my chicks and losing one also, the breeder sent one to UC Davis, then I believe culled another one with symptoms and sent that one also.

The results were e coli septicemia and aspergillosis as cause of death. I can't find anything that says the birds that are exposed or sick and recover will be carriers but I can't find anything that says they won't either. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Of the remaining four, one is smaller and seems puffed up like the two that died but I don't hear the clicking in the breathing like the other two had. And then one has a puffy eye. Their activity seems normal although I now have them confined. They were free ranging around my house, which is about 50 yards from my barn and chicken coops. Actually read that free ranging is good for this problem but every once in a while one of my roos will bring his 5 favorite girls down to the house so I didn't want to risk exposing my flock. I've only treated them with Rooster Booster in their water.

I need to decide if they should be culled or if they'll be able to be integrated into the rest of the flock. I'd love to move them to my grow out pen, it's been a pain having to care for them down here. Nothing worse then finally having a grow out pen and not be able to use it!

I sure hope someone can advise me here and if I don't cull should I treat them with some antibiotics and how long before I can move them up to grow out pen, which is next to my main coop.
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......or just cull.
E Coli is what I like to call poop bacteria. LOL It's usually found in feces of various animals (us too). I don't know much a chicken having it or how it would have even gotten it so bad to be septic but sounds nasty. The aspergillosis is a type of mold (and there are apparently a couple within that too). But it's basically a mold. Where was the mold located? For my chickens it was in their trachea/lungs which means they inhaled it. If the concentrations of the mold were found in their digestive system then it was likely to have come more from a food source.

I don't know anything about the e coli BUT I can speak on the mold and I can assure that it will not infect the rest of your birds. It's not a carrier issue at all. Also if you had some from the same batch of birds that are ok and they were a part of the 'sick flock'- then they are likely fine if they are not showing symptoms. So on the mold front- no worries about future infections or contagion.

The e coli I don't really know about it. But I do know e coli is simply everywhere and the fact that chickens pick through poop as a normal course of their day- I am intrigued that they would have gotten septic from it. I would wonder what their conditions were prior to you or they somehow had access to large concentrations of the bacteria somewhere at your place...septic run off or something? (grasping because I honestly have no idea) But I cannot imagine that one would be contagious either but don't quote me on that one!

I have been adding apple cider vinegar to my chickens drinking water and also mist down their coop with it every several days right now. It helps kills and prevent mold growth.
 
Goodmorning All. Hope everyone has a great day..
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It is a good morning! There was a black Silkie chick in the incubator when I checked this morning. when I left for work there were two of them.
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Quote: I almost went to Costco last night. I think my chickens could eat that size. They are fairly good at ripping things up. Are you going to scatter some around in the morning for them?

Thank you for the information!

Ron
 
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Quote: Thanks Ron for commenting on my chickens!
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I almost broke my arm patting my own back!
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Amy, thanks for confirming. The breeder and I thought this is what you dealt with. The chicks were only about a week old when I got them and they were already infected, so it was nothing on my property. I have 20 some chicks of my running around here and they and my adult flock are all good (well except for all the molting going on).

The breeder thinks the e-coli came from poop on one of the eggs and they were infected in the incubator. The eggs were purchased from another respected BYC member so I'm not blaming anyone or think that things weren't managed properly, although everyone involved is going back and crossing their t's and dotting their i's to make sure something like this doesn't happen again.

I'm happy to know that I don't have to cull (and as always, when I say "I" I mean my husband
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). Since the e-coli is bacterial should I go ahead and treat them with an antibiotic before I move them to the grow out pen? If so, what type of antibiotic. I've never had to treat a sick chicken beyond Rooster Booster or an injury.
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THANKS!
 
It is a good morning! There was a black Silkie chick in the incubator when I checked this morning. when I left for work there were two of them.
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I almost went to Costco last night. I think my chickens could eat that size. They are fairly good at ripping things up. Are you going to scatter some around in the morning for them?

Thank you for the information!

Ron
I just scattered some for them. Of course, they came running as soon as they saw me and were so excited about treats until they tried them. The big ones had no problems eating them but the smaller hens and juveniles just pecked at them. They are very firm little pellets and I tried to break them in half and couldn't. I'll go out later and see if they ate them all.
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Thanks Ron for commenting on my chickens! :D I almost broke my arm patting my own back! :lau

Amy, thanks for confirming. The breeder and I thought this is what you dealt with. The chicks were only about a week old when I got them and they were already infected, so it was nothing on my property. I have 20 some chicks of my running around here and they and my adult flock are all good (well except for all the molting going on).

The breeder thinks the e-coli came from poop on one of the eggs and they were infected in the incubator. The eggs were purchased from another respected BYC member so I'm not blaming anyone or think that things weren't managed properly, although everyone involved is going back and crossing their t's and dotting their i's to make sure something like this doesn't happen again.

I'm happy to know that I don't have to cull (and as always, when I say "I" I mean my husband :lol: ). Since the e-coli is bacterial should I go ahead and treat them with an antibiotic before I move them to the grow out pen? If so, what type of antibiotic. I've never had to treat a sick chicken beyond Rooster Booster or an injury. :idunno

THANKS!


Hey Pam get em some Duramycin-10. I just dealt with this same issue. It's been working on my chicks.
I can't remember what page I posted on, a few days ago.

How many sick chicks do you have?


Mike
 
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