California - Northern

[sewandgrow]

Okay then..........I will let you know how thegreens trays work out......

 

[CALI CHICK]

I read a thread that said any vet can do a float test. It is the same as the test they do for Dogs. Tell them you need a float test for your dog and take in the chicken poo. As far as I no, CAHFS at UCD Only does a Necropsy. The Vet Med Center would do the float test, but they are expensive to use.

To quote Happy Chooks, there is no natural cure for worms. Once they (or you) have them you have to use medicine. Ivermectin is so safe, that a 200 times overdose will not kill them. One person did that by accident. The bantam chicken was sluggish for a while but was completely recovered in a short time.

Resistance to worms would mean that they live with them in their system but do not die from the worms.

They would still have worms.

Ron

Hi Ron, I'm really trying to weigh the use of meds before I commit to using them. I appreciate your experience and in no way mean to sound argumentative.

If I treat them with meds...(which need to be re-treated)...am I correct in understanding that the chickens will continue to pick up worms as they continue to free range, etc? Thus, the meds/toxins need to be re-treated. And, the chickens can even form a resistance against the specific type of meds which will then need to be changed to yet another chemical?
So, either way, our chickens will always have worms/parasites in their bodies at varying degrees? Maybe "none" right after a "treatment", but they have chemicals in their body at that time which have lowered their built in immunity to worms....and then the worms begin re-forming in their bodies and the cycle of drugs continues. I don't know, but it just sounds SO similar to what the "medical" doctors do in the human world....

 

[capayvalleychick]

CAHFS at UCD does do fecal tests. That's where I take my critter's manure. I think they charge $8. a sample.

I haven't looked at the link you posted yet, Ron. My vet does chinese medicine, so she's always talking about foods that cause heat or cold. Oats cause heat. Here's some info:
http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/boulder-acupuncture/articles-and-handouts/diet-chinese-medicine/

I was sprouting mixed grains for the chickens. I had five numbered buckets. 4 had drainage holes. I would put grains in the bucket without holes (#1) for soaking. Cover with water and soak 24 hours. Dump into drain bucket #2 on day 2. Spray with hose to rinse and let drain. Start soaking more grains in bucket #1. Day 3- dump first batch of grains into bucket #3, dump grains from Bucket #1 into bucket #2, rinse/spray grains and let drain. Start a fresh batch of grains to soak in bucket #1 every day. Keep repeating this process and you will have sprouted grains by the time you get to bucket #5. You feed those to the chickens.
In the hottest part of the summer, you may have to rinse the grains more than once a day. That's why I stopped doing it.

Does Artois Feed have a complete or layer feed, or just grains?

I saw a notice for a small animal sale this Saturday near Sacramento. I think it's mainly for chickens but I'm thinking about taking a piglet. I'm not sure if I can go for sure, but Ron, would you be interested in going?

"The next Orangevale Small Animal Exchange is this Saturday the 11th. Come meet up with us and buy, trade or sell any animal you can carry and cage. No dogs or cats, please. Or just spend your morning talking poultry and meeting some great people! LOCATION: 7546 Larkspur Lane in Orangevale, from 9-12."

Kim

 

[ronott1]

Quote: Hi Cali Chick,

Resistance to the wormer is a problem. Testing and treating only when the worms are present is the best thing. Have a regular Vet and not an Avian vet float test the manure on a regular basis, at every season change for example. Treat based on the test.

I forgot to post about using Natural preventatives like DE and one of the products with flax seed in it. Those can help keep the worms away and are great to use. The important point is once they have worms, you have to use the wormer to get rid of them.

Where we live in California we may not have that much of a worm problem. Once a year will not cause worm resistance. Worm resistance happens with chickens that are wormed much more often.

My suggestion would be to worm once at 13 week old or so and then have a fecal float test after that. Then the treatment would be necessary and not likely to cause resistance. The chickens may never need to be treated again

Bye for now,

Ron

 

[CALI CHICK]

CAHFS at UCD does do fecal tests. That's where I take my critter's manure. I think they charge $8. a sample.

I haven't looked at the link you posted yet, Ron. My vet does chinese medicine, so she's always talking about foods that cause heat or cold. Oats cause heat. Here's some info:
http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/boulder-acupuncture/articles-and-handouts/diet-chinese-medicine/

I was sprouting mixed grains for the chickens. I had five numbered buckets. 4 had drainage holes. I would put grains in the bucket without holes (#1) for soaking. Cover with water and soak 24 hours. Dump into drain bucket #2 on day 2. Spray with hose to rinse and let drain. Start soaking more grains in bucket #1. Day 3- dump first batch of grains into bucket #3, dump grains from Bucket #1 into bucket #2, rinse/spray grains and let drain. Start a fresh batch of grains to soak in bucket #1 every day. Keep repeating this process and you will have sprouted grains by the time you get to bucket #5. You feed those to the chickens.
In the hottest part of the summer, you may have to rinse the grains more than once a day. That's why I stopped doing it.

Does Artois Feed have a complete or layer feed, or just grains?

I saw a notice for a small animal sale this Saturday near Sacramento. I think it's mainly for chickens but I'm thinking about taking a piglet. I'm not sure if I can go for sure, but Ron, would you be interested in going?

"The next Orangevale Small Animal Exchange is this Saturday the 11th. Come meet up with us and buy, trade or sell any animal you can carry and cage. No dogs or cats, please. Or just spend your morning talking poultry and meeting some great people! LOCATION: 7546 Larkspur Lane in Orangevale, from 9-12."

Kim

Kim, thank you for the info on fecal testing AND the oats causing heat.
That's awesome to have a vet that looks at more natural medicine options. I found a product that claims to be a natural dewormer. They use similar ingredients that the Chinese have used for 4,000 years. I'm not sure if I'll buy this yet (or if it works) but here is a link if anyone is interested: http://www.theholistichorse.com/WormGuardPoultry.html . One thing I like about it is -the price is same or less than chemicals. Oh and they offer a money back guarantee.

 

[ronott1]

CAHFS at UCD does do fecal tests. That's where I take my critter's manure. I think they charge $8. a sample.

I haven't looked at the link you posted yet, Ron. My vet does chinese medicine, so she's always talking about foods that cause heat or cold. Oats cause heat. Here's some info:
http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/boulder-acupuncture/articles-and-handouts/diet-chinese-medicine/

I was sprouting mixed grains for the chickens. I had five numbered buckets. 4 had drainage holes. I would put grains in the bucket without holes (#1) for soaking. Cover with water and soak 24 hours. Dump into drain bucket #2 on day 2. Spray with hose to rinse and let drain. Start soaking more grains in bucket #1. Day 3- dump first batch of grains into bucket #3, dump grains from Bucket #1 into bucket #2, rinse/spray grains and let drain. Start a fresh batch of grains to soak in bucket #1 every day. Keep repeating this process and you will have sprouted grains by the time you get to bucket #5. You feed those to the chickens.
In the hottest part of the summer, you may have to rinse the grains more than once a day. That's why I stopped doing it.

Does Artois Feed have a complete or layer feed, or just grains?

I saw a notice for a small animal sale this Saturday near Sacramento. I think it's mainly for chickens but I'm thinking about taking a piglet. I'm not sure if I can go for sure, but Ron, would you be interested in going?

"The next Orangevale Small Animal Exchange is this Saturday the 11th. Come meet up with us and buy, trade or sell any animal you can carry and cage. No dogs or cats, please. Or just spend your morning talking poultry and meeting some great people! LOCATION: 7546 Larkspur Lane in Orangevale, from 9-12."

Kim

Thank you Kim! can you mail the sample to them using the Fedex discount Megan posted? Also, how often do they find worms?

I am interested in the OrangeVale meet up.

Ron

 

[CALI CHICK]

Hi Cali Chick,

Resistance to the wormer is a problem. Testing and treating only when the worms are present is the best thing. Have a regular Vet and not an Avian vet float test the manure on a regular basis, at every season change for example. Treat based on the test.

I forgot to post about using Natural preventatives like DE and one of the products with flax seed in it. Those can help keep the worms away and are great to use. The important point is once they have worms, you have to use the wormer to get rid of them.

Where we live in California we may not have that much of a worm problem. Once a year will not cause worm resistance. Worm resistance happens with chickens that are wormed much more often.

My suggestion would be to worm once at 13 week old or so and then have a fecal float test after that. Then the treatment would be necessary and not likely to cause resistance. The chickens may never need to be treated again

Bye for now,

Ron

Food grade DE and flax seed is the main ingredient in the product I just linked.......and I have both of those, so I'm going to mix some up right now!

 

[capayvalleychick]

My vet uses a combination of Chinese & traditional methods. She always starts with the chinese treatment. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If that doesn't work, then we use a more traditional/conventional approach. For worming, she always recommends testing before treating.

Because I have so many animals, testing them all would be too expensive. I've only taken samples for the pigs directly to the lab, didn't even think about shipping. I need to test the rest of my menagerie. It's on my loooong to do list.

Kim

 

[HighNDryFarm]

CAHFS at UCD does do fecal tests. That's where I take my critter's manure. I think they charge $8. a sample.

I haven't looked at the link you posted yet, Ron. My vet does chinese medicine, so she's always talking about foods that cause heat or cold. Oats cause heat. Here's some info:
http://www.chinesemedicinedoc.com/boulder-acupuncture/articles-and-handouts/diet-chinese-medicine/

I was sprouting mixed grains for the chickens. I had five numbered buckets. 4 had drainage holes. I would put grains in the bucket without holes (#1) for soaking. Cover with water and soak 24 hours. Dump into drain bucket #2 on day 2. Spray with hose to rinse and let drain. Start soaking more grains in bucket #1. Day 3- dump first batch of grains into bucket #3, dump grains from Bucket #1 into bucket #2, rinse/spray grains and let drain. Start a fresh batch of grains to soak in bucket #1 every day. Keep repeating this process and you will have sprouted grains by the time you get to bucket #5. You feed those to the chickens.
In the hottest part of the summer, you may have to rinse the grains more than once a day. That's why I stopped doing it.

Does Artois Feed have a complete or layer feed, or just grains?

I saw a notice for a small animal sale this Saturday near Sacramento. I think it's mainly for chickens but I'm thinking about taking a piglet. I'm not sure if I can go for sure, but Ron, would you be interested in going?

"The next Orangevale Small Animal Exchange is this Saturday the 11th. Come meet up with us and buy, trade or sell any animal you can carry and cage. No dogs or cats, please. Or just spend your morning talking poultry and meeting some great people! LOCATION: 7546 Larkspur Lane in Orangevale, from 9-12."

Kim

Kim, I buy their layer w/oyster shell. I think they have several different feeds.

 

[ronott1]

My vet uses a combination of Chinese & traditional methods. She always starts with the chinese treatment. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If that doesn't work, then we use a more traditional/conventional approach. For worming, she always recommends testing before treating.

Because I have so many animals, testing them all would be too expensive. I've only taken samples for the pigs directly to the lab, didn't even think about shipping. I need to test the rest of my menagerie. It's on my loooong to do list.

Kim

Thanks Kim!

CAHFS is on the other side of the Campus from me. When we get to the Fall season change I will drop off a sample on my lunch hour.

I even know how to get there now. UCD Campus is such a weird place to navigate....

Ron