CALIFORNIA The Whole State thread

[sewandgrow]

I haven't kept up with posts lately I haven't been getting the notices for this thread so am just now seeing the post you guys have left about the get together here at my house. You are all so very welcomed. I had a ball.....being tired was a small price to pay for all the fun I had. We can do it again anytime.
I am going to Lodi today at 4 for a Delta Backyard Poultry Meetup Group meeting. We are doin s finger food potluck pic nic t the Lodi Wine Cellars patio & will have a chicken talk. I live in Turlock so I will leave around 3 o'clock I guess.

For those of you that weren't here. Last week end there was a Friends of Feathers ( I have just decided to call it that after MrsMoonCat called it that in a message to me.....LOL) chicken get together here at my house. Nothing official, just a fun get together. It was the first time I had tried anything like that but it went over so well I will do it again. I had alot of help putting it together.

Another local chicken lover (Flyfishingal) wants to have a chicken get together at her place in Delhi somewhere around Easter. She has a big Party Barn at her place. So if anyone is interested give me your name & I will get you on the list to be notified. We had a meet & greet round robin last weekend at my house so everyone there got to know everyone else, where they live, what they raise etc. We have a great raffle with donated chicken related items.....such fun...!!!!! It iwas a pot luck & we had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay alot of food....LOL

One of the raffle prizes was the new forage greens trays I have been making. Cheryl had one at her get together as a raffle prize that George (PetRock's) husband had made. We all wanted to win it but I didn't so I came home & have been making my own since. My process has evolved since I made my first ones. I think I finally have it down to as cheap & fast as I can get it. The metal hardware was a big expense & I found away around it. My chickens love the greens so much I can't keep enough growing. I bought 20 trays so when I finish tham all maybe I can get a rotation going. If your chickens get to free range you don't need them but most of my chickens are in breeding pens without access to fresh green grass etc. Debi gave me the name of the company you get the forage mix seed from so I got 10lbs. Groworganics.com It must be very popular because they run out & I had to wait for my order to be filled.
I am off to staple the hardware cloth to my greens trays.
Anyone local enough that wants to do some let me know & we will set up a workshop day.

 

[SunnyDawn]

 

[wolftracks]

I didn't get to sleep till around 4am and been up since 7. I have a horrible headache and I know a migrain is coming on, but I'm trying to do the new member page that will replace the first post. So frustrating. I can't even move sections so they aren't cluttered. Hit the enter key and whole sections disappear. I can now hit the "UNDO" button with my eyes closed. LOL

I know that with my complaining to the mods and trying to find a way to keep everything here, I lost a few new members' info. If you aren't on the list, please let me know. Also, don't forget to check your info if you are listed as a breeder. Let me know any changes or updates. If you need to be added under the breeder section, copy the way it is posted on the page and post here on the thread. That gives you a chance for others to see it even before looking on the new page. I'll copy and paste your info there.

There is nothing listed for events othwer than the Heirloom Expo. Give me some shows or events people!

I'm not adding the link to the page to the first post here yet. I'd like to clean up that post, leave some infor, take out some garble and make it look nice, but just don't have the energy at the moment, so I'll add it very soon. In the meantime, here's the link, so lets try and pass it around a bit till my brain is working right.

Thanks everyone.........

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/california-thread-members-list-and-helpful-information

 

[sewandgrow]

While at the Delta Backyard Poultry Meetup in Lodi yesterday they told me there is a Poultry Event in FairOaks on the 15th September.

 

[wolftracks]

While at the Delta Backyard Poultry Meetup in Lodi yesterday they told me there is a Poultry Event in FairOaks on the 15th September.

If you can get me some info I'll add it to the page I set up.

BTW, would some of you please check the page and see if it works? I just want to make sure it's easy to get too. I'll update the first page when I feel a little better. Headache is turning into a migrain I think. I feel sick to my stomach and starting to feel really clammy.

Also check to see if you are on the member's list and give me any of your breeder info you may want on there.

 

[ronott1]

Quote:
The page works great!

Ron

 

[wolftracks]

The page works great!

Ron

GOOD! I hope it will be alright. I was kind of hoping it would work like the old member pages and I could play with it, but no go.

 

[ronott1]

New report they just did.

Eatting 3 or more eggs a week can be as damaging as smoking cigarrettes, to your arteries.

Are you kinding me????

I guess I'm pushing it. I don't egg 3 plain eggs a week, but cook with them and yepppppp, I smoke.

In 50 years they'll say "oops! Ya should have been smoking, drinking and eatting 5 eggs a day. Sorry bout that."

OK I'm kidding and not trying to promote smoking a drinkin

Mods! LOl I'm just saying, we go through this kind of thing all the time. It's good, it's bad, it's good.

Here is a blog by Dr. Mercola about this Canadian Egg stusy:


By Dr. Mercola

Recently, news headlines were ablaze with startling information that eggs are nearly as bad for your arteries as cigarettes. After surveying more than 1,200 seniors, the researchers concluded that eating egg yolks on a regular basis is approximately two-thirds as bad as smoking with regards to the build-up of arterial plaque.
That's an incredible claim―especially once you know the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey used to say.
The rest of the story is this: the "study" is based on interviews of stroke patients and their recollection of egg intake and admission of smoking history.
The authors do acknowledge that the results are weak because they're dependent on the patients' self-reporting, memory, and honesty. They also say the finding that people with heart disease shouldn't consume eggs is just a hypothesis and should be tested further. That hasn't stopped the conventional media from running with it though, without any further scrutiny.​

Latest Attack on Eggs Fraught with Conflicts of Interest

First of all, the study was funded by the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Ontario, and the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Canada. Although these are two different entities, they use the same donors list in their annual reports, and they are both heavily funded by Big Pharma—to the tune of AT LEAST $7 million a year for heart and stroke recovery, and $4.4 million for the Research Center's Heart & Stroke Spark Together for Healthy Kids

project.
A number of "studies" that have come out of the Research Center support very aggressive drug treatment of stroke and heart attack patients, including this one, entitled "Treating Arteries Instead of Risk Factors," in which the authors actually advocate skipping the risk factors altogether and just aggressively treating with pharmaceuticals. The study says they:

"... ensured that patients with vascular disease were using an angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitor. For those not able to use angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors because of cough or angioedema, we ensured that they were using an angiotensin receptor blocker, unless they had contraindications to these classes of drugs."​

Next, let's look at the study authors. Two of the three researchers in question, have declared interests in statins. David Spence and Jean Davignon have received honoraria and speaker's fees from several pharmaceutical companies manufacturing lipid-lowering drugs. Now do you think the companies that make statins might have a vested interest in getting you to be afraid of eggs and cholesterol? Of course they do.
The third researcher, David Jenkins, helped create the vegan "Portfolio Diet," which only allows egg substitutes and then only sparingly.
So what's the bottom line when you look at who funded the study and who the authors were? They all have heavy involvement with, and funding from, pharmaceutical companies, so how can you expect anything but massive conflict of interest? With this background information you could EASILY predict the outcome of the study well before it even began.​

Shoddy Hypothesis Ignores Already Established Science

There is a major misconception that you must avoid foods like eggs and saturated fat to protect your heart. While it's true that fats from animal sources contain cholesterol, this is not necessarily something that will harm you. Cholesterol is in every cell in your body, where it helps to produce cell membranes, hormones, vitamin D and bile acids that help you to digest fat. Cholesterol also helps in the formation of memories and is vital for your neurological function.
Besides asking seniors to recollect their past egg consumption with any amount of accuracy, there are other major problems with this study. Mark Sisson posted a humorous and accurate take on it on his blog, stating:

"Those who ate the most eggs also smoked the most and were the most diabetic. To their credit, the authors tried to control for those factors, plus several others. Although they tried to control for sex, blood lipids, blood pressure, smoking, body weight index, and presence of diabetes, the study's authors didn't – couldn't – account for all potentially confounding variables. In their own words, 'more research should be done to take in possible confounders such as exercise and waist circumference.'
Hmm. 'Possible' confounders, eh?

• Exercise reduces inflammatory markers of atherosclerosis
• Exercise even reduces markers of atherosclerosis in pre-pubertal obese children!
• Exercise reduces thickness of the carotid arterial wall

It doesn't get much clearer than that. Exercise is a massively confounding variable that the authors failed to take into account.
What about waist circumference?

• A high waist circumference predicts atherosclerosis of the carotid artery.

Or how about stress, which also wasn't considered?

• Perceived daily psychological demands – the amount of crap you perceive to be heaped on your plate – are associated with progression of carotid arterial plaque.

Yeah, it's not like the size of a person's waist, whether or not they move of their own volition or sit in an easy chair all day, and how much stress they endure have any impact on their risk of developing atherosclerosis. Those things may be linked, and I'm sure the authors would have loved to include them in their analysis, but there just wasn't enough space on the questionnaire. Besides, it's not like a little physical activity and mediation could even undo the damage wrought by 4.68 sinful egg yolks per week. Why, that's nearly a half dozen!" [Emphasis mine]​

Study's Data Show Egg Consumption Actually Promotes Health

Another interesting analysis has been made by Ned Kock, who specializes in nonlinear variance-based structural equation modeling. Using a model to test for the "moderating effect," he demonstrates how the egg consumption data from the featured study actually shows that egg consumption promotes health.
By looking into the effect that the number of eggs consumed per week had on the association between LDL cholesterol and plaque formation, the data shows that the highest amount of plaque is associated with the lowest LDL cholesterol levels... This is interesting, to say the least, since egg yolks are "supposed to" raise your LDL (bad) cholesterol levels thereby causing plaque buildup.
He writes:

"What is happening here? Maybe egg consumption above a certain level shifts the size of the LDL particles from small to large, making them harmless. (Saturated fat consumption, in the context of a nutritious diet in lean individuals, seems to have a similar effect.) Maybe eggs contain nutrients that promote overall health, leading LDL particles to "behave" and do what they are supposed to do. Maybe it is a combination of these and other effects."​

Other Research has Found No Link Between Eggs and Heart Disease

One of the curious features of this study was the singling out of eggs without paying any attention to other foods. What about trans fat consumption, for example, which is now widely known to increase cardiovascular health risks? Or processed sugars and grains?
Additionally, while the subjects were reportedly asked about medications, drug use was not evaluated to see if there were any correlations between drugs and increased risk of arterial plaque build-up. After all, the subjects were all stroke patients, and are therefore likely to be on statins. Statins, we now know, are associated with an increased risk of diabetes, and heart disease is the number one killer of diabetics. So is the increased plaque build-up really caused by egg consumption, or is it related to drug-induced diabetes?
In a previous paper, the researchers even point out a study showing that participants who developed diabetes during the course of the study doubled their risk of heart disease with regular egg consumption, while egg consumption had no impact on heart disease risk in non-diabetics. Overall, the idea that eggs are unhealthy is a complete myth, one that's easily debunked if you look at the evidence.
For example, previous studies have found that:

• Consumption of more than 6 eggs per week does not increase the risk of stroke and ischemic stroke
• Eating two eggs a day does not adversely affect endothelial function (an aggregate measure of cardiac risk) in healthy adults, supporting the view that dietary cholesterol may be less detrimental to cardiovascular health than previously thought
• Proteins in cooked eggs are converted by gastrointestinal enzymes, producing peptides that act as ACE inhibitors (common prescription medications for lowering blood pressure)
• A survey of South Carolina adults found no correlation of blood cholesterol levels with "bad" dietary habits, such as use of red meat, animal fats, fried foods, butter, eggs, whole milk, bacon, sausage and cheese

 

[wolftracks]

Maybe I need to make a big batch of deviled eggs. hehe

You know, I think moderation is the main thing with anything. OK, maybe not with chocolate, but that's another story. Seems like until we're all popping suppliments instead of food at dinner parties, everything is going to be concidered bad for us. Speaking of over indulging. Yesterday I heard my name being called and was looking all over, when my next door neighbor started laughing. She came around from her yard and asked if we liked grapes. DUH! LOL There's a grape vine on my front porch, just waiting for me to finish my garden area and plant it. Which should be soon or I've blown it. I had the best grapes since I the last time I raised them. I think I got a little carried away and paying today. I wonder what would have happened if that had been eggs? Truthfully I'm not huge on eggs, but when I have an oven that works, I love to bake. Eggs are a must. Matter of fact I'd love to be able to make Angelfood, which is one of the healthiest cakes. A dozen or more egg whites. Go figure.

I don't think though that these research programs figure we know when to stop. I may have proved their case with those grapes, but usually if someone is so abusive of food, we see it on the news. There may be a lot of people who don't eat right, but I think the majority does. The only problem for some is just the cost. You can't eat well if you can't buy better products. With prices already promising to go up from drought reasons, it's going to be hard on those who already have this problem, but when they tell you things are bad for you and clearly they are not, it's confussing for a lot of people.

 

[sewandgrow]

My son came in with goose eggs from a friend's Egyptian Geese & wanted me to try hatching them. His friend's Dad keep a flock of them on the perimeter of his country property as watchdogs to keep the teensgers from jumping the fence & having booze &??? parties iut in his pasture where he can't see them. I tried puting them in the Brinsea but they wouldn't fit in the turning shelves so I fired up the external Hovabator to give them a shot. They are so ugly to me but Aaron said the pair of unner ducks & one crippled Canadian goose are not able to keep up with the grass in their pssture area so we need something else back there.....LOL