Calling on Dog Experts - Guess the breed [IMG HEAVY]

[WeLoveTheChicks]

The angle of the other shots (coupled with the camera phone) distorted the nose length among other things.
The profile shot seals it for me: German Shepard Dog mix w/Smooth Chow and/or Pit and/or lab with any other number of short haired breeds mixed in. In other words a GSD mutt.

Exercise it often, train it well, love it for being a dog.

 

[Equest94]

quadcam79 - Very beautiful dog! Although I can see some similarity in the face... Sabina's is definitely narrower and more refined. Her eyes are closer together and her forehead isn't as wide. I'm looking at her right now and making comparisons...Sabina's facial structure is much lighter framed.

silkiechicken - as I have said, GSD in my area are not considered "dangerous". We are a smaller semi-rural community and many shepherds (collies, labs, and cattle dogs) are used as working dogs, not as guard dogs...so they are excused, unless something happens involving a shepherd....

Pit bulls are not the only breed being discriminated by in my town - dobermans are too.

hollyclyff - no Sabina is not causing anyone any trouble. We have 15 acres of land and part of it is invisible fenced in. Sabina does not leave the fenced in area when we turn her out. When we take her any where else she's always on a leash. We never leave her unattended.



*** Look. I'm sorry. I know I brought this on myself when I asked what breed you thought she was; however, when I am told by pit bull breeders and show-ers that they do not see any pit or other bully breed in here and state that fact, half of you still go on to say she is pit. We are very very certain that she is not. I do not want to start anything on here, I'm not angry because I did ask for your opinion but when I say she's not and when experts say she's not, I would really appreciate it if some respect was shown in that sense. We are pretty sure she is a mix with something from the hunting or sporting group and possible breeds from those classifications are what I was asking about.

We just adopted Sabina at the end of this past August after my first dog, Sasha, was drastically killed by a car. I found her in the ditch and picked her up out of it. That day will stay with me forever. I went on to lose 2 more pets by the time the New Year came along and 2008 doesn't seem to be any better. You keep on insisting she's a pit mix, which is exactly what the lady is doing and thus this trouble is arising. I'm not looking for sorrow or any kind of compassion; I'm looking for actual answers. something that could possibly settle my mind/put me at ease.

If the test results show she is a pit mix or has any other bully breed in her, I will be FORCED to GET RID of her! I will have to give up MY dog. I will lose another pet; a member of my family. It's not fair. She doesn't deserve this, but if 90% of you say she's a pit, you are either all correct or just are all bias toward that breed. Those of you who have pits, you don't understand how fortunate you are. My town was great until this witch showed up and now it's pure hell. No body should go have to go through this, especially not Sabina. Her second chance at a life is suppose to be perfect, not be torn away from a family who loves her.

Again, I apologize. I shouldn't have posted this. I appreciate all of you who cared enough to reply to my post it really means a lot to me.

Time will tell....

 

[sunnychooks]

What gives this woman the right or authority to "force" you to spend money on a DNA test? The papers you have from the shelter say GSD/Lab mix. That should be the end of it.

 

[hollyclyff]

I was wondering the same. What gives her the authority to force a DNA test? Is there a law that states this? Has AC been involved in this or is it just this one woman raising a stink? Have these DNA tests been proven reliable enough to be counted as proof? I personally wouldn't trust them too much. It should be enough that the shelter labeled her a GSD/lab and with signed statements from breed experts, that should be good. She does look like she "could" have pit in her based on some of those pictures, but it doesn't mean she does. (And what really gripes me is that it shouldn't matter.) That look could easily come from any number of combinations of genes. In other pictures I don't see pit at all. I've seen dogs that looked like pit mixes that were actually known to be something else entirely - usually something with boxer. What if pit is there 8 generations back? Is there a certain percentage that a dog has to be or is it the "one drop" rule?
My vet's office insisted on labeling my old Dachshund a "Dachshund mix" because he looked like he was mixed with Chihuahua or something. But I personally know his breeder and know that he was purebred and champion sired out of a show pointed dam to boot. Genetics are funny. The fact is that some toy breeds probably were used to create miniature Dachshunds and my boy simply got a bad combination of genes handed down that gave him pop eyes and flyaway ears.
Have you seen this website? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

 

[Equest94]

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I know. It's not right. She said that papers from a shelter are not valid due to them forging the breed of dog in order to make them more adoptable.

I heard of shelters doing this, but the SPCA where I got Sabina from had pit bulls and pit mixes that were openly acknowledged as pit bulls.... why would they lie about my dog in particular?

Anyways, this woman thinks she's God and knows all... she supposedly has labs and just bred her female.. yatta yatta yatta... so her being an "expert" says that my dog cannot be a lab mix and insists she's a pit cross. We say she's not, she says we lie and wants proof... since she's on the committee, the "town is making us" (even though she's the onl one who has a problem with my dog)

hollyclyff - thanks for that website. I can show it to her or to the town-supervisor.

 

[jc12551]

I don't see any pit in her. I have had several pit mixes. My current dog is a pit/shepherd/lab mix. My last town tried to get rid of her, but I sued them and they dropped it. The current town here does not allow pits, but nobody has said anything to me, yet. If they do, we just move again. We are like Gypsies and I know not many people have the freedom/money to just pick up and go at a whim (5 places in 7 years of marriage if you count the camp ground we lived in for 6 months as one). Keep fighting and stalling.

 

[Equest94]

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That it so wrong! You shouldn't have to move to keep your dog, especially if your dog in particular is completely innocent. Thank you for your glance at her.

 

[BarbK]

I agree I dont see pit in her and I worked in a vet clinic that 90% of the dogs seen were pit or pit mixes. Chow, lab, healer maybe. GSD definately. I would throw slander charges at her. It is an invasion of privacy to force a test on someone!!!

My healer mix was called a pitt just because of her brindling. Best guess because of her running ability and her build she is healer/whippet (whipped cow)
I wonder what the woman would say about a blond haired blue eyed native american because you know we are all supposed to be dark skinned, black haired and brown eyed?

 

[Haviris]

Ok so here is my opinion, to me BASED solely on the pics you provided!! She does look like a GSD/pit mix.

Now that said I once had a couple of dogs I was trying to find a home for (the were originally road side dumpies while puppies) they was no doubt in my mind that they were australian shepherd mix with possibly hound, or maybe GSD, they were black and tan colored, one had a natural bobtail. Seeing them in person and especially seeing them move it was so obvious that they were aussie mixes, but when I posted about them on a dog forum they all argued with me, and insisted they didn't have any aussie. So I guess based on the pics they just couldn't see it, so I guess it's possibly that their is something in the in real life that we just can't see in the pics.

However as for proof that she's not pit, I would think all you'd really need is the thing from the shelter and possibly something signed by a few different vets stating that she is not pit. And I'd think the case would be closed.

From what I have heard about these DNA mutt testing things is that they are really just for fun! I've heard some peolpe get back some really crazy answers for their dogs. If I had the money to throw away I'd send see what they came up with for my purebreds, or even a known mix (we have an aussie/hound mix, I could try).

As for this person, she sounds like a power hungry witch whose just causing a stink and making you jump through hoops becuase she can. If it was me I'd have to retaliate in some way. Either find something to get her on, or find a way to get her booted.

Good Luck!

 

[SebrightLover]

Me, I see GSD and boxer. There's just something about some of her poses that says boxer to me. I don't see the pit that everyone else is seeing.

And someone had said something bout the black spots on the tongue - doesn't seem to be only a chow thing - see it quite often in little dogs that obviously aren't chow too.